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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by ecmascript »

Angostura wrote: post #135
ecmascript wrote: post #129

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> Now Mozilla has, whether you like it or not decided to build its brand values and ethos around equality and inclusivity Yes I know, this is why I use Brave and why Mozilla is not relevant anymore. At my company we don't really make a lot of effort to test that our product works in Firefox anymore because they have such a low market share. I am basically the only one wanting to fully support firefox, testing every f…

I’d love to see your worked examples of why having brand values based around inclusivity has lead to a drop in market share. Do you have any evidence for that? Or are you assuming that Brendan’s superior execution skills would have avoided it?

It's easy, people don't like getting politics shoved in their faces when they're using some product that has nothing to do with poltiics. Especially when they disagree with the message.

Of course, in the Mozilla case it's more than their pander to wokeness that made them become unrelevant. It's their focus on shitty products that no one asked for or wanted. For example, Pocket. Such a waste of money, I'm sure they have some users and so on but come on.

There is no way of donating to the development of Firefox. You can only donate to Mozilla and the money won't be used for development but rather for pushing woke politics.

They have used a lot of money afaik on that purpose alone. To be more inclusive, which basically translates to excluding white men (because that is what it's always about).

But if you want some concrete list, check this one out:

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-l...

I'm sure Brendan wouldn't have spent millions on shit products and woke politics but rather to have improved on the core products and stuff like privacy which people actually care about.

This is why Brave will be bigger than Firefox in the long run, because they care about what actually matters. Which is the product they offer.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by prox »

ailideex wrote: post #71
bilekas wrote: post #12

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I'm on my waay BACK to Firefox, there was a strange period when I left, Firefox just seemed really heavy on my machine, and it was super intensive for some dev tools. Now I say the same about chrome and find FF much lighter and efficient. Delighted that FF are taking a bit of a stronger stand here in the privacy dept too .

Using Fedora Linux, last I tried a switch to FF (less than 6 months ago) it was way slower than chrome. I actually like FF functionality more and would prefer to use it but my laptop runs significantly hotter when I run FF on it.

I remember reading about an issue on some Linux systems, not sure if they fixed it, but do report these issues if you can.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Causality1 »

smichel17 wrote: post #79
gruez wrote: post #58

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What are these features that are built into chrome, but only available as legacy Firefox extensions?

I interpreted the comment to mean, they run old FF (with extensions) alongside chrome (incompatible), because they don't want to run two versions of FF. I don't quite understand this either, but it makes more sense than the other interpretation, I think.

Bingo. DownThemAll is something I would describe as "mission-critical". I had trouble getting two different versions of Firefox to not interfere with one another in odd ways such as everything running fine until I open a file with Firefox as the associated program and one version would open but have all the settings from the other version and Portable Firefox refusing to save settings or extensions at all. Using Chrome for casual browsing was just less of a headache.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by davidy123 »

davidy123 wrote: post #95

The concept of the browser is a universal vehicle for information. One of the greatest breakthroughs for browsers, aside from increasing front end application rendering and interactivity, is extensions. They put the user as the primary, where they can access, control, organize the information accessed as they wish using extensions. Of course, there is a wild west aspect to this, and over time extension facilities are…

This site, for all its virtues, really cracks me up sometimes. I was talking about the open world of extensions, with an 's,' of which there are many. But apparently all the world needs is uBlock, and whatever the sites and browser companies deign to provide. Some hackers.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Scarbutt »

_8j50 wrote: post #136

Can they focus on making it perform as well as Chrome? I mean, I support their efforts and all but I am forced to use a chrome based browser because FF has poor windows/sso integration and absolutley horrible memory management. A tab of any tool's webui that does a lot of work with a lot of data will not only bring firefox to a halt but the entire system. I can at least try to use it for soft workloads but you never…

They can't compete with Google on engineering. Also, Google attracts better talent and pays more.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by bilekas »

ailideex wrote: post #71
bilekas wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on my waay BACK to Firefox, there was a strange period when I left, Firefox just seemed really heavy on my machine, and it was super intensive for some dev tools. Now I say the same about chrome and find FF much lighter and efficient. Delighted that FF are taking a bit of a stronger stand here in the privacy dept too .

Using Fedora Linux, last I tried a switch to FF (less than 6 months ago) it was way slower than chrome. I actually like FF functionality more and would prefer to use it but my laptop runs significantly hotter when I run FF on it.

Just given its Fedora I would be a bit nervous to instantly assume full blame on Firefox, given the nature of the OS, but definitely give a try again!

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #137
mirthandmadness wrote: post #86

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The majority of people are not digitally literate enough to care about what they're using. How do people preserve social justice if they're not aware that it is being violated in the first place? Who would deliberately step sideways and do something that requires effort when they have no incentive to? Most people just do what is convenient, without bothering to think twice about it.

"People made a different decision than I did, therefore those people must be ignorant."

Google used a lot of its gigantic resources and ad spaces to advertise Chrome everywhere. It's been installed and enabled by default on most mobile devices for years. Google paid software publishers to have Chrome distributed through other software installs (it also bundled it with its own software like Picasa and Google Earth). It also paid my local (state-owned) public transport operator to display gigantic banners in my train station. It organized events in my work community to promote its software and services, including Chrome of course. For years, its search engine told me to install Chrome every time I access google.com from another browser. Google stills serves old and ugly results page when I do search from Firefox (e.g no chart shown when searching from Firefox, although every other financial websites is able to perfectly display their stock charts in non-Chrome browsers). They've even been fined billions(!) of EUR for illegal practices involving the distribution of Chrome)[0].

People may have made different decisions to chose their browser for good reasons, but Google also built a monopoly for very good reasons, too. Users were and are still constantly pushed and incentivized to use Chrome, because of extensive, multi-year PR campaign, digital and outdoor ads, but also technical tricks.

[0] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_...

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by dao- »

wayneftw wrote: post #143
blackearl wrote: post #122

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I've never seen the exclamation mark and I'm never signed in on my work computer. Meanwhile, Chrome signs you into the browser profile if you sign into any Google site and it's opt-out.

They've got it plastered around the UI. It's the very top menu item. It's also in the Pocket address bar button right under where they advertise to you to "Sign up for Pocket. It's freeeeeee!" Not only that, but on new installs and after some updates Firefox nags you to sign up whenever it can, for instance when you log into a website - right after you save the password it will show some animated crap in the address…

> Chrome (my default browser) actually nags me less and in less annoying ways.

Because they just log you in without asking, as noted in the comment you're replying to. It also has more severe implications in Chrome privacy-wise, directly linking your Chrome profile with all kinds of other privacy-sensitive Google services. Since Google is in the business of making money from the data they have on you (and hence collects as much as it can), I'd be much more concerned about this than I am about my Firefox account.

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