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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by sologoub »

claudeganon wrote: post #95
borkt wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please research the facts before posting this. The fires have been caused by people using Propane tanks with attachments to heat their flammable tents.

The Kincade Fire was started by PG&E, but somehow whenever wildfires get mentioned, people immediately point to the homeless... I only made this comment because it seems to be feeding into exterminationist sentiments among the wealthy and homeowners. As I pointed out, this led to an attack on an encampment in my old neighborhood.

Your example is deplorable and should not happen.

The other points are not baseless: Skirball fire in LA is currently attributed to a cooking fire as the source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirball_Fire

My view is that this is not the homeless fault either - people have to eat and shelter. What we need is a right to shelter or similar approach to actually address the root problem. Medical care and development (lack of it) are also contributing issues.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by reilly3000 »

sudosteph wrote: post #56

Native North Carolinian checking in. I'm from Charlotte and I can honestly say that I grew up with more friends who had parents from New York than from NC. A lot of middle class people from upstate NY settled in Charlotte due to the economic opportunities and weather. I'd wager that this migration really started about 30 years ago, and we're seeing the numbers increase even further due to network effects. For example…

Washingtonians (and moreso Idahoans) are particularly irate about Californians moving in, and have been for as long as I can remember. There are a lot of "salt of the earth" types who, regardless of political persuasion, see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. The Northwest ethos has been one of eclectic flavors of stoicism, serenity, and a nordic work ethic. Californians, in their eyes, bring a more chaotic, cutthroat energy.

I've lived in and love both states. Every native Californian I've met on their home turf assumes that the entire state of Washington shares the same microclimate as Seattle. Most Washintonians rarely wash their cars relative to California's sparkly standards.

All of this is of course changing as more generations co-mingle, but the lore remains.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by altoidaltoid »

KaiP wrote: post #128
harimau777 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What gets built next to someone's home can affect their quality of life (e.g. due to noise, pollution, increased traffic, blocking sunlight, blocking views, etc.). So I don't see why they shouldn't have a say. It's no different than any other negative externality.

Because giving them a say has caused massive inequality and the loss of billions of dollars in wealth?

https://www.amazon.com/Neighborhood-Defenders-Participatory-...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by option »

triceratops wrote: post #135
option wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they really? An honest question - suppose the housing does a nosedive to 100K. I still find it hard to believe that those living on the streets in tents with no jobs will rush to buy houses. The other category of “invisible” homeless - those living in cars and at friends places/garages will of course benefit if the average price of the housing drops

If housing prices nosedive, so does rent. Not everyone in a tent encampment needs to be a buyer.

I’d say my point still applies, perhaps with a smaller degree. If rents drop 3x (an economic disaster pretty much) are tent encampment inhabitants rushing to rent, coming up with deposits and getting pre-approved?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by formerchamp »

highdesertmuse wrote: post #120
enad wrote: post #79

I grew up in Central California and then lived in the Bay Area from 2001 until 2010. Had kids, and a online job, so we next moved to the Sierra Nevada foothills, where we lived for a decade. We moved to a suburb of Houston, Texas about a year ago. Best decision ever. In a nutshell: Overall, quality of life has gone way up. Taxes have gone down. Wages have gone up. Everything is cheaper, which means we all get to do m…

Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Hello Californians, welcome to Texas! Please don't vote for the same policies that caused you to flee your state.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by harimau777 »

davidw wrote: post #123
harimau777 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What gets built next to someone's home can affect their quality of life (e.g. due to noise, pollution, increased traffic, blocking sunlight, blocking views, etc.). So I don't see why they shouldn't have a say. It's no different than any other negative externality.

I think it's reasonable that you don't get an actual nuclear waste facility next door, but people in California have gone so far beyond any kind of "reasonable". Exhibit 239839229: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/san-jose-trying-build... - people getting bent out of shape about housing for teachers , FFS!

It's not clear to me from that article: Did the plan that they were opposing provide any assurances that the houses built would be good quality? The people quoted state that their concern is that overcrowded or low quality public housing[1] would be built. If the law addresses their stated concerns and they still oppose it then I think that it's fair to criticize them. However, I don't think it's fair to just assume that they are lying about the reason for their opposition.

[1] I could see criticizing public housing being code for "we don't want anyone who isn't upper middle class"; which of course is unreasonable. However, on the other hand I've lived in places where the public housing took the form of a massive tower block that was like something out of Judge Dredd; so I think its understandable that people would be concerned about it if they aren't given any assurances.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by mdavidn »

zone411 wrote: post #30

We made a map using domestic migration data: https://twitter.com/LechMazur/status/1202655115628466177

It seems obvious that states with the largest populations would see the most people leave. This graphic would be more interesting if the scale were per 1,000 capita.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by sologoub »

m_ke wrote: post #150
jefftk wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything in your link about NYC putting up housing at an insane rate, and my understanding had been that NYC housing growth was at historically low levels?

Here's a link with some more data https://streeteasy.com/blog/nycs-unsold-condos/ . The rezoning and redevelopment of the queens and brooklyn waterfronts brought a ton of new high rise condos with it. I live in northern brooklyn and there's a new condo building being built on almost every block. At the same time there's more vacant storefronts than I've ever seen and the only businesses getting by are coffee shops, h…

If that’s not making enough of a dent, it’s not evidence that it’s not helping at all.

Compared to CA, NYC is building like crazy from my anecdotal observation.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by BurningFrog »

jedberg wrote: post #83

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Actually one of the things I miss the most in the Bay Area is conservatives. I don't know a single one that's out of the closet!

To me, that's really really broken.

I'd love to live somewhere "purple", where people of all opinions coexist peacefully. Do places like that still exist?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by ardit33 »

mbesto wrote: post #96
siculars wrote: post #9

Having left NYC for Texas 5 years ago, I can confirm the grass is greener on the other side.

Having lived in NYC, SV, London and Chicago, living in Austin has been dream. That being said, it's pretty clear it's heading towards Seattle levels, which is quickly headed towards SF levels of societal issues.

In't it too hot on Summers....? How do you deal with the heat...
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