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And I know a lot of women who have been successful graduates of the program, what's your point?

I suspect that they would not be if there would be an equal opportunity. Not giving people a chance just because of ideology is despicable. That's my point.

Lots of people don't have a chance. There's a fixed number of slots and many more qualified applicants.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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I suspect that they would not be if there would be an equal opportunity. Not giving people a chance just because of ideology is despicable. That's my point.

Lots of people don't have a chance. There's a fixed number of slots and many more qualified applicants.

That's true. World is not a fair place. No point in making it more unequal though. Let just the best and more dedicated win.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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I dont understand these split of opportunity based on something(race/sex etc). Its more PR move than anything If people truly want equality, it shouldnt even be a factor. No prejudice. Just treat all as of us one thing, human being.

If everyone starts from the same place it's fine to say "give everyone equal opportunity". If you really want to have equal opportunity given the historical and social background you have to acknowledge that everyone doesn't start from the same place.

And how exactly does it translate to gender? If anything, I would argue that most women have much better background. Not that it matters anyway. If an immigrant from 3rd world country can come to US at age 30 and be better than the competition, then you pretty much have no excuse if you were born here.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical It was unethical for the system to push an 18 year old down the route of taking on huge loans. I'm not sure that finding a way out of that is.

> the system So we are going to absolve all 18 year olds of decision making because of 'the system'? As an 18 year old I was keenly aware of debt. My college experience was going to a local school while working 20-30 hours/week and living at home. All because we didn't have much money, and I wanted to take as few loans as possible. So maybe this persons parents and primary school failed them, but I don't buy it was t…

In the US we ban marketing tobacco and alcohol to minors, if that is largely okay with everyone, we should consider extending it to ban marketing -anything- to minors.

When I hear someone say 'the system,' I wish they would be more specific.

I think a small group of corporations being in direct control of the mass dissemination of corporation serving behavioral role models and information is a problem that needs to be addressed in order ensure the quality of freedom in the marketplace.

Taking the oceanic volumes of weapons grade, artificial psychological pressure off the kids seems like a great place to start.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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i am wishing i could go back 15 years and do this now. i was dumb enough to go to an ivy league for an unrelated degree, then change careers and go thru a bootcamp, and i'm now still 100's of thousands in debt. if i was growing up today i would absolutely drop everything to do this. kudos to shopify but it really feels a little bittersweet.

Curious and want to ask: if this were available 15 years ago, would you have done it? It seems like you'd need to 1) have CS as your goal, 2) know about Shopify and their program, and 3) get in. I know a lot of people don't even have CS on their radar when they enter college.

yeah of course, 15 year hindsight is 20/20 :)

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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Economics could have been a gateway to a high-earning career, but you'd have had to work in finance.

That was the plan. But I went to a no-name school in the eyes of the finance world but also my heart wasn’t into it so my performance wasn’t great. And it occurred to me almost by the end of my studies that I didn’t want to work in finance. Economics is really interesting though.

i went to wharton and it didnt work out. finance is really brutal man.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical, but I’m interested: how do you propose to buy a home using this strategy? All cash? In my area, I’d need around $200,000 cash. I know there’s trailer parks and etc. but they may not work for everyone.

I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical It was unethical for the system to push an 18 year old down the route of taking on huge loans. I'm not sure that finding a way out of that is.

I just can't get behind the idea that 18 year olds are nothing but drooling idiots who can't understand anything they are doing and student loans are something that "just happens" to people.

I knew full well what I was doing when I took out my student loans. I knew how much I was borrowing. I knew it would have to be paid back. I knew loans would have to cover both tuition and living expenses because I had no savings and I knew my parents weren't going to help very much. I also knew I could reduce my loan burden by starting at community college and/or going to state school. I still went to private school for my entire degree.

While it was scary to jump into my adult life with debt, and it was a bit of a leap of faith, the risk was obviously worth it, both at the time and definitely in hindsight. Once I graduated I put my head down and aggressively paid off my student loans, kept living like a college kid until they were paid off.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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They’re not paying them that much- $160 000 over four years, including tuition. So it’s $40 000 a year, which is a great deal imo (for both parties). I assume that, with sufficient screening, you can get someone contributing relatively quickly, and start getting value. I think the key is the screening- they’re not giving this offer to every CS student. At the places I’ve worked, we’ve definitely got value out of inte…

For 40k you can hire senior engineers with degrees in Europe.

Europe is a big place. Certainly can't hire a senior engineer with a degree for 40k where I live. Even for a junior it would be low.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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That was the plan. But I went to a no-name school in the eyes of the finance world but also my heart wasn’t into it so my performance wasn’t great. And it occurred to me almost by the end of my studies that I didn’t want to work in finance. Economics is really interesting though.

i went to wharton and it didnt work out. finance is really brutal man.

I'm sorry. What do you do now? Since you read HN I am assuming you're in tech

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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At my university there are a number of math requirements for the CS degree. A couple calculus courses, a couple linear algebra courses and a discrete math course. Each of them is the foundation for other CS courses, such as discrete math is for analysis of algorithms. Is this the case with these newer schools / approaches to becoming a software engineer? I for one really appreciate the math, but is it appreciated in industry? Curious to know.
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