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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by macintux »

egdod wrote: post #130
xs83 wrote: post #125

As someone who works in this space I see this from an alternative angle. Yes we use data like this in order to advertise to you, No Apple is no better than Google at how they approach this - they are just walling you further into their walled garden. Google uses your location information to track your locations in order to provide better (more relevant) advertisements through their own ad platform. Apple does exactly…

> Apple does exactly the same but because it doesn't have it's own ad platform this gets sent to their "Approved Partners" who do it on their behalf. Apple sends my location information to third parties? Citation needed.

I just looked. They do, but they share it anonymously unless you consent otherwise.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

See "Location-Based Services" near the bottom.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by bigiain »

jzvxkxbxjx wrote: post #124
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without sideloading I can't use a 3rd party youtube app that has no ads, no tracking and allows downloads. I also can't use my pebble watch because the official app is unsupported and only community supported software exists. I also am restricted from some content that android users of the same app can view because apple prohibits adult content inside of apps. I see a phone as a tool to do what the user needs. Not th…

You’re seeing it as a computer. It’s a phone.

That doesn't mean he's wrong.

I've chosen not to "see" my phone as a computer, you as well. I treat mine as an appliance - not even as a phone really, it's significantly more a Messenger (Signal mostly), a music player, a web browser, and RSS reader, a camera, and a book. I hardly ever make/receive calls on mine.

But you can't argue that his choice isn't valid for him.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by in3d »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

And Google can show a screen after each search encouraging people to contact Apple if they want it removed. Will you switch to Bing? They can do the same thing. Other websites can also bother iPhone users worse than ads do or make visitors pay for access on iOS but not on Android. Apple does not run the Internet.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by [deleted] »

egdod wrote: post #130
xs83 wrote: post #125

As someone who works in this space I see this from an alternative angle. Yes we use data like this in order to advertise to you, No Apple is no better than Google at how they approach this - they are just walling you further into their walled garden. Google uses your location information to track your locations in order to provide better (more relevant) advertisements through their own ad platform. Apple does exactly…

> Apple does exactly the same but because it doesn't have it's own ad platform this gets sent to their "Approved Partners" who do it on their behalf. Apple sends my location information to third parties? Citation needed.

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by RKearney »

otachack wrote: post #137
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

Sure, but Google/Android has added fine grain GPS permissions in Android 10+ so we have the option to say "just track when using app" instead of "no" or "all the time". The problem, now, is rolling it out due to fragmentation.

iOS also has this feature so I’m not sure what your point is.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by eulevik »

killface wrote: post #145
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

Until I can get a browser adblocker on a non-rooted, non-unlocked iphone, it's not a switch worth making. firefox mobile + ublock origin is the only way I find the mobile web tolerable.

Handblock on the App Store does a good job.

Not as good as UBlock Origin, but pretty good.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by xenospn »

macintux wrote: post #151
egdod wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple does exactly the same but because it doesn't have it's own ad platform this gets sent to their "Approved Partners" who do it on their behalf. Apple sends my location information to third parties? Citation needed.

I just looked. They do, but they share it anonymously unless you consent otherwise. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ See "Location-Based Services" near the bottom.

I'm assuming this is for Maps/address resolution data and such, and not real time location information that can be used to identify a single user.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by lotsofpulp »

echelon wrote: post #110
jzvxkxbxjx wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ If apple allowed easily sideloading apps I would consider moving over.” This was the reason I was an android guy until my wife told me to just get a phone that works. And you know what? Not letting you side load is a feature. When you see it like that, you care a lot less about your phone, and just appreciate that it works and that you can trust it as your more intimate possessions .

> Not letting you side load is a feature. No. It's not. Stop, seriously. "Not letting you vote is a feature." "Not letting you complain is a feature." "Not letting you speak is a feature." "Not letting you have free will is a feature." "Not letting you use your body as you wish is a feature." This is how we lose our digital rights. Stop buying into this utter horse shit. We have the right to repair our devices, run w…

Perhaps not allowing side loading decreases the likelihood of malware and security exploits.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by chewz »

jadbox wrote: post #141
otachack wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but Google/Android has added fine grain GPS permissions in Android 10+ so we have the option to say "just track when using app" instead of "no" or "all the time". The problem, now, is rolling it out due to fragmentation.

Not only do I like having the ability to limit GPS per app, but I can also disable background data and enforce 'energy saver mode' (aka make background tasks infrequent) on an individual app basis.

We can also easily mock GPS on Android and there are apps for that.
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