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Don't you think it should take them at least a few days to determine a preliminary cause of the crash?
The Ukranian embassy in Tehran already have a statement on their website saying it's an engine malfunction and are ruling out a terrorist/rocket attack (reported by CNN and NYT).
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I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...
To be fair, the USA has higher rates of shooting down passenger planes in Iranian airspace, so we should probably chill and wait for actual investigations to be done.
Better article: https://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0
Thanks for this. Reporting seems to have been pretty bad so far. I noticed that the Associated Press (and news stories derived from AP) are reporting on the age of Iran's commercial fleet, as though that has anything to do with a plane belonging to a Ukrainian airline. > Iran’s commercial passenger aircraft fleet has aged, with air accidents occurring regularly for domestic carriers in recent years, resulting in hund…
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Then we should just close this thread since literally everything will be speculation at this point.
> I don't see the problem with speculation It's intellectually dishonest, particularly when baseless speculation is framed by an "it looks like." It crowds out fact-driven discussion. It's disrespectful and potentially hurtful. It could be mistaken for informed commentary, in which case it's misleading. (When I’ve done it, the first victim is myself.) And to top it off, it's useless. Totally useless. Nobody walks awa…
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It would take everyone a few days to determine the cause, especially the people spreading unverified informations such as 'it was shot down by a missile'
It wouldn't take very long for the relevant parties to know whether they accidentally shot a missile at a 737. For a mechanical issue, there would be much more uncertainty (although it's possible the pilot reported the issue to ATC).
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The US has plenty of detection capability for missiles, such as how they tracked the ballistic missiles earlier. As in the Ukraine case, I'm sure they'll be more than willing to share the missile trajectory sooner rather than later if there is one (they shared the Ukraine one 5 days after the crash). I'm not sure how trustworthy it'll be, but that's something I'm waiting for as the situation develops.
Aren't all those tracking systems mostly ground based. But Saudi Arabia and its neighbors do provide proximity to Iran so I guess they should be able to catch it.
My interpretation is that this is the Iranian regime falling apart.
A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…
It’s going to be hard to remove the suspicion. The investigation will probably be run by an Iranian authority. I doubt the NTSB will be invited in the current climate. How credible will be its finding? Usually in this case a neutral third party is invited (like France’s BEA). But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now.
Are they? If I remember correctly, Iran threatened the US / Trump specifically (more so since Trump threatened to attack cultural sites). Were there any threats to other western countries?
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But it was built 3 years ago. Does proper engineering prevent future failures if the assembly process becomes flawed at a later time? For example using cheaper materials, ignoring cracks, not properly training new employees etc.
> Does proper engineering prevent future failures No. Never. The plane could have had a defect. The parts could have had a defect. Maintenance could have caused damage. Or, the machine was perfect. It just hit the wrong number of birds at the wrong angle. Or experienced one of countless random errors that can take down a good plane. (It could also be malice.)