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Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by bugsy924 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:15 AM UTC

person_of_color wrote: post #53

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #16

Comma.ai represents a strange attitude towards life in which you try to turn hard, serious problems (like self-driving), into trivial problems (write some Python and run it on Android phones and plug it into your car!) and try get away with it. It only has a chance of working if you are cool enough in SV such as geohot. I interviewed there once and it was extremely off-putting how clear their demand for fast progress…

Great perspective. Why isn't SDC software held to the same regard as Boeing? The safety framework is the same.

Brakes on a plane, fall out of the sky Brakes in a car, come to a stop

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#152

Post by bathtub365 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

missosoup wrote: post #150

bathtub365 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems irresponsible for an engineering company to avoid regulators.

Not necessarily. Regulatory capture is a thing. Regulators, at least in part, exist to maintain a barrier to entry for any new players trying to enter a field dominated by large players. Several major tech companies only exist because they broke rules in their early days. And most people agree the outcome was a net benefit to society.

As someone who drives on public roads (and has family and friends who drive on public roads) this is a frightening comparison and attitude.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#153

Post by Benjammer » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

eloff wrote: post #149

bathtub365 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems irresponsible for an engineering company to avoid regulators.

On one hand yes, on the other the company wouldn't exist. Regulators are important, but they also serve incumbent interests as they raise the barrier to entry for newcomers. It's a way to pull the ladder up behind you once you've achieved success. I don't know how we can better balance those seemingly conflicting aspects.

I can never really understand this argument. Why can't we carefully craft regulations to scale in their burden with the company's ability to bear said burden in some way? Scale with revenue or head count numbers? Similar to how income at the lowest bracket isn't taxed, to lessen the burden on people much less able to pay.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#154

Post by missosoup » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:25 AM UTC

bathtub365 wrote: post #152

missosoup wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. Regulatory capture is a thing. Regulators, at least in part, exist to maintain a barrier to entry for any new players trying to enter a field dominated by large players. Several major tech companies only exist because they broke rules in their early days. And most people agree the outcome was a net benefit to society.

As someone who drives on public roads (and has family and friends who drive on public roads) this is a frightening comparison and attitude.

You're already driving on roads shared with garbage solution like tesla's '''autopilot''' this thing is no different other than the creators not being able to afford the regulatory bribe to deploy it.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#155

Post by respecthebbc » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:29 AM UTC

What a cool dashcam! Is this better than a gopro! I'm a top hacker!

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by respecthebbc » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:30 AM UTC

omg what a cool dashcam, is it better than a gopro?

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#157

Post by bathtub365 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:36 AM UTC

missosoup wrote: post #154

bathtub365 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who drives on public roads (and has family and friends who drive on public roads) this is a frightening comparison and attitude.

You're already driving on roads shared with garbage solution like tesla's '''autopilot''' this thing is no different other than the creators not being able to afford the regulatory bribe to deploy it.

It's a completely different product with a much wider number of configurations that end-users have to piece together from Wiki pages and packages they download themselves, loaded onto hardware they've installed in their cars with zero oversight from anyone qualified.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#158

Post by o-__-o » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

bathtub365 wrote: post #152

missosoup wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. Regulatory capture is a thing. Regulators, at least in part, exist to maintain a barrier to entry for any new players trying to enter a field dominated by large players. Several major tech companies only exist because they broke rules in their early days. And most people agree the outcome was a net benefit to society.

As someone who drives on public roads (and has family and friends who drive on public roads) this is a frightening comparison and attitude.

Next time you drive, look around you at some of the other drivers. The ones with cell phones in their hands are more dangerous than someone with a comma.ai dev kit.

Fun story: I wanted to build a hypermilling coach/trainer system about 10 years ago and got to the point of having a poor mans ACC in a Scion. It didn’t brake though, only coasted to lose speed (thus requiring driver input). So I got the wild idea of tapping into the electronic brake distribution system to apply brake pressure when I needed to slow down. I figured out the system and was ready to tap into it when I had a dream that night. I was on the highway and all of a sudden two wheels decided to lock up from braking too hard. I stopped all testing on that car on public roadways after that.

My current car is hacked to provide lane centering when lane assist is on, but it’s still operating within the bounds of the factory electronic steering (so it can’t self drive/make 90 degree turns)

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by trynewideas » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:44 AM UTC

If the obtuseness is to deter regulators, it's a good thing nobody at any regulatory body reads Hacker News. Right? Because otherwise frontpaging HN would defeat the entire purpose of trying to fly under regulatory radar.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

#160

Post by mindentropy » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 4:44 AM UTC

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #16

Comma.ai represents a strange attitude towards life in which you try to turn hard, serious problems (like self-driving), into trivial problems (write some Python and run it on Android phones and plug it into your car!) and try get away with it. It only has a chance of working if you are cool enough in SV such as geohot. I interviewed there once and it was extremely off-putting how clear their demand for fast progress…

> And then we have comma, which controls your vehicle on a non-realtime system...

Lol. This is what I found extremely shocking and is the first thing that I noticed. I don't think anyone serious about embedded design would touch it. They are trying to ignore decades of experience in real time systems and build some hacky stuff and make it open source.