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Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by bsagdiyev »

jdsully wrote: post #113
izacus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now"? This has been implemented for years - most people just call it "Check engine light" ;)

The check engine light is only for emissions related failures which is why in most cases the car is still driveable. In serious cases like this most cars will flash the CEL but AFAIK that is not legally required. The whole point of the CEL is that when the emission system is compromised its not immediately obvious, in fact the car may even perform better depending on the fault.

So just a nitpick, but the CEL is not exclusively for emissions related codes. There are a wide range of things that can fail that do not affect the emissions output of the car, but will still trigger a code and light. All of them can fail you in an emissions test, but not all of them are emissions related.

Edit: All of them will fail you -> All of them can fail you. Not all codes will trigger an immediate fail in CA smog testing anyways, depending on if they are manufacturer specific, or what they effect. I passed my most recent smog with a few codes.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by bsagdiyev »

alphabettsy wrote: post #98

Michigan is a bit of a unique situation in Michigan, not having the ability to do many repairs in state due to laws meant to favor traditional automakers. The fact that loaners are not available as readily is probably an unfortunate side effect of the Model 3’s success; however, many companies don’t offer loaners for vehicles in the price range (starting Obviously being an electric car it fails as gracefully as an IC…

Most companies do actually offer loaners. Honda does, Toyota does, VW does. They're all under $40k for the most part.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by jeffnappi »

fgonzag wrote: post #135
jeffnappi wrote: post #129

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I'm saying if they had a Ford Explorer (or any other mundane model) that suffered a similar failure they would likely not bother to write an entire article highlighting that event. It just isn't quite the click bait that a Tesla article brings.

They would absolutely bother writing about it. They do a ton of long term car reviews, many good, some bad, some horrible (like this one). You can search their long term car reviews, they tell it exactly as is, including any maintenance costs or inconveniences (they even mention other luxury brands at least providing full tOW truck pick up service and a loaner, unlike Tesla which expects you to do it itself)

Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]?

1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by ogre_codes »

romaaeterna wrote: post #108
ogre_codes wrote: post #91

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How many tens of thousands of Tesla Model 3s have been sold? That ONE Tesla failed with fewer than 6,000 miles is not surprising or remotely concerning. No, I haven't had a car fail with fewer than 6,000 miles. But if I'd bought a Model 3, that would almost certainly still be the case as well because of the tens of thousands sold to date this appears to be fairly uncommon or we'd have heard about it by now. I'm not c…

> That ONE Tesla failed with fewer than 6,000 miles is not surprising or remotely concerning. Yeah, it "just happened" to be one owned by Car and Driver. If they are seeing this sort of failure with review models, you can be sure that the real failure rate is big.

How can I be sure? Why would the other owners keep quiet about it, some grand conspiracy?

Everything that happens with Tesla gets amplified 10 fold. If the failure rate was "big", I'm certain we'd have heard about it by now.

Regardless, this isn't a special review unit, C&D leased the Tesla from the dealer like any other schmuck, it was just luck of the draw. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29515368/tesla-model-3-lo...

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by ariwilson »

cjbprime wrote: post #114
ariwilson wrote: post #84

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The point of TFA that the car failure / bad service happened to CarAndDriver's long term test drive Model 3 early on its lifespan and they have never had this happen before for any of their long term cars. "This sort of shit happens to all cars" misses the significance of this event due not applying basic statistics. Simply put, readers of this article have far more cars than the writers.

No, the misapplication of basic statistics is yours in concluding that one data point in a small sample size must be significant. The opposite is true.

Significance in a magazine article != statistical significance, which is unfortunately very hard to come by in the real world. Simply put, I'm willing to give more credence to a car magazine talking about never having encountered a problem like this before in a pool of vehicles than random commenters on HN.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by ariwilson »

jeffnappi wrote: post #153
fgonzag wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would absolutely bother writing about it. They do a ton of long term car reviews, many good, some bad, some horrible (like this one). You can search their long term car reviews, they tell it exactly as is, including any maintenance costs or inconveniences (they even mention other luxury brands at least providing full tOW truck pick up service and a loaner, unlike Tesla which expects you to do it itself)

Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]? 1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."

Isn't it that article? In the previous paragraph:

"After hitting 40,000 miles, the Raptor began complaining with a noisy, ill-shifting transfer case. The dealer replaced a damaged shift fork, the clutch assembly, and a handful of other worn internal parts under warranty—a fix that took a week."

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by slenk »

sneak wrote: post #149
slenk wrote: post #110

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None of that has changed since you pre-ordered your Cybertruck. Maybe you just needed an excuse to cancel??

I think I’ve just thought about it a lot more. I don’t think I want a vehicle where my location is tracked 24/7 without my consent.

Fair enough. I am kind of with you in that boat.

I love the technology that Tesla is producing. But I hate the risks associated with using such technology

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by fgonzag »

jeffnappi wrote: post #153
fgonzag wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would absolutely bother writing about it. They do a ton of long term car reviews, many good, some bad, some horrible (like this one). You can search their long term car reviews, they tell it exactly as is, including any maintenance costs or inconveniences (they even mention other luxury brands at least providing full tOW truck pick up service and a loaner, unlike Tesla which expects you to do it itself)

Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]? 1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."

The car still worked and managed to limp to the dealer, so it's not close to the same event. C&D is stating that they had never had a car become 100% useless while parked and turned off, and that every other luxury brand had offered tow service and a loaner. That's what made this particular event article worthy. I'm 100% sure that had this happened to any other brand, they would've done the same. You're not a C&D regular if you think otherwise to be honest, they'll happily love one model of a brand and absolutely detest others. They love electric cars. You're just spewing out accusations with no basis on fact.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by fgonzag »

ariwilson wrote: post #156
jeffnappi wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]? 1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."

Isn't it that article? In the previous paragraph: "After hitting 40,000 miles, the Raptor began complaining with a noisy, ill-shifting transfer case. The dealer replaced a damaged shift fork, the clutch assembly, and a handful of other worn internal parts under warranty—a fix that took a week."

I'm as confused as you are. He's doing Trump's signature move, pointing at the evidence and saying: "see, there's no evidence"

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by fgonzag »

sdinsn wrote: post #68
bigcloud1299 wrote: post #7

Recently my bothers Ford Focus had service engine light that had come on and vehicle was shut down. He had it towed to ford. which let him know that they recently had a recall on the model and they knew the exact issue. He was neither given rental nor Uber or loaner etc. he had to talk to his insurance company which also did not include recall as a clause so he had to rent. This sort of shit happens to all cars. Alth…

> He was neither given rental nor Uber or loaner etc That's surprising. Whenever I take my honda in for service, I always get offered a loaner (even if it's just a couple hours of service)

It's a focus, I don't know why people expect luxury service for a 30K car. I had a shelby 350 and ford would even give me a loner while in regular service if I wanted. The tesla in the article is priced at 57k, I'd expect pretty good service for that price.
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