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The StingRay Is Why the 4th Amendment Was Written (2017)

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I work in the field of cell network security research and want to help clear up some misinformation I'm seeing in these comments. First, I just want to highlight that reason cell site simulators (the more general term for StingRays/IMSI-catchers) exist is because cell phones cannot authenticate all messages coming from cell towers. I'm seeing some vague comments about "a lack of encryption", but it's primarily more o…

We have SIM cards for 30 years to authenticate unique users to the network, but those same cards can't authenticate the network? No, this is entirely by choice and could have been trivially solved. They just forgot the "server certificate" part.

This would make features like free roaming much more difficult to implement. If given the choice, most people would probably opt for coverage over security.

Also, why couldn't law enforcement simply coerce the cellular carriers to sign their stingray cert? It's been known to happen for SSL: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/03/govts...

Re: The StingRay Is Why the 4th Amendment Was Written (2017)

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Gay Marriage, Citizens United, Whistleblower protections, Encryption, Net Neutrality, warrantless surveillance... It's actually hard to think of an issue where Republicans have been on the right side of protecting Civil liberties in recent history other than gun control. Are the ACLU leftists or are leftists the ones protecting civil liberties? Sort of a chicken and the egg situation.

Obama was absolutely against gay marriage for both elections, and extended Bush’s policies, he didn’t retract them when he had the opportunity.

Sources?

Re: The StingRay Is Why the 4th Amendment Was Written (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gay Marriage, Citizens United, Whistleblower protections, Encryption, Net Neutrality, warrantless surveillance... It's actually hard to think of an issue where Republicans have been on the right side of protecting Civil liberties in recent history other than gun control. Are the ACLU leftists or are leftists the ones protecting civil liberties? Sort of a chicken and the egg situation.

How about actually standing up to China and not just talking about it? Let go of the partisanship please.

What does China have to do with American civil liberties?

Re: The StingRay Is Why the 4th Amendment Was Written (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gay Marriage, Citizens United, Whistleblower protections, Encryption, Net Neutrality, warrantless surveillance... It's actually hard to think of an issue where Republicans have been on the right side of protecting Civil liberties in recent history other than gun control. Are the ACLU leftists or are leftists the ones protecting civil liberties? Sort of a chicken and the egg situation.

The ACLU and "Republicans" were on the same side of Citizens United.

Do you know what Citizens United is?

Where do you get your information?

Re: The StingRay Is Why the 4th Amendment Was Written (2017)

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His point that you keep missing is that malicious intentions doesn't equal death. Someone wanting to steal from you doesn't mean the death penalty. Stealing is malicious.

And you are willing to gamble the lives of yourself and your loved ones on the assumption that the intruders' only intentions are theft? Why? To protect the intruders' physical wellbeing?

yeah...

I dislike the term 'bleeding heart liberal', but I think it applies here. There's a difference between 'love thy fellow man' and 'worry about the health of an intruder in your home at 3am'.

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