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Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Assange broke US laws that he was never subject to, as an Australian living in Europe.

That seems a bit simplistic. There's a wide range of crimes you can commit on-line without ever entering the jurisdiction of the victims.

Yes, just ask Kim Dotcom, who has also tried to jump on the "persecuted internet freedom fighter" bandwagon.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Correct. Former Ambassador Craig Murray has stated that a disgruntled DNC employee, unhappy with the treatment of Sanders, personally gave him the emails in Washington and he couriered the emails to his friend Assange who then published them. And as has been pointed out the Podesta emails were taken through a phishing email which was sent to thousands of people (so it wasn't spear phishing) and which he foolishly fel…

Craig Murray's statements are highly disputed and some of them are just plain ridiculous e.g. you can't transfer data to Russian servers at > 6MB/s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

There are many VPNs in Russia that support 1000mbps

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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That's not how the entire fabric of international law works though. Citizenship and postal address are irrelevant. If you break the law in another country and there is an extradition treaty then you will face the consequences.

So if I buy something from a Saudi Arabian e-commerce site am I at risk for extradition from Ireland to Saudi Arabia for the capital offense of being gay? Clearly I was gay while doing stuff online on a Saudi Arabian server.

If the Irish government has an extradition treaty with SA covering that crime and the Irish government has decided to extradite you, then yes. However, no such treaty exists and the Irish government would never do it.

The key with extradition is that it has more to do with diplomacy, geopolitics, and sovereignty than anything else.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class. He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”. He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despit…

Faultless record? Absolutely not. They will support /r/conspiracy's lunacy at all costs as long as it somehow ties to Hillary Clinton. This one[1] was the most ridiculous claim they supported, but I'm sure someone who cares more could find dozens or even hundreds more claims made by WikiLeaks that are nothing more than deranged Dale Gribble-esque rants.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/san-francisco-tech-assange...

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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> The UK spent 10s of millions on policing costs monitoring abscondment. They didn't have to. The fact they chose to throw ridiculous amount of money away besieging some guy because US dislikes him, is on them, not on Assange.

If you don't police a bail violation and send the offender to jail, then bail is really just a pinky-swear release. Come to court if you want, type of deal.

How many other bail violations have you seen the UK spend millions of pounds for? As a UK citizen, the government stance in the Assange case disgusts me.

It's obvious what's going on here, nevermind the "see nothing hear nothing" attitude that's on display.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Authoritarians emphasise the fact he broke laws, everyone else appreciates the moral act.

It's not mutually exclusive. * Sometimes individuals must break the law for greater good. This is called civil disobedience, or civil resistance. * Just because one is breaking the law for common good, civil servants can't and should not be expected to stop enforcing the law. If you allow that, it's the end of the rule of law based society. The whole idea of just society is that you restrict what individuals in the g…

There was an interesting case in Katherine Gun, who was a GCHQ employee that leaked that the US was conspiring to manipulate the US security council vote on the Iraq war by coercing other members. She attempted to use a legal defense that it was necessary to break the law in order to prevent war crimes. The prosecution appears to have stood down in order to prevent memos getting out that would have confirmed that invading Iraq was considered illegal by Downing St. at the time she made the leak.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/03/katharine-gun-...

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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The top link, which is the only one that addresses court proceedings, is nothing to do with his bail jumping case at all - it's about the US extradition. Just from a timeline perspective this is obvious: his conviction was back in May; this article is from October.

The US extradition which was categorically denied for years? Ah, I see. > The UK remains in violation of a United Nations decision from 2016 that Mr. Assange is being subjected to Arbitrary Detention [1]. The UK government refuses to release most of its internal communications relating to Mr. Assange saying that to do so would compromise the United Kingdom’s national security and diplomatic relations . [1] https://ju…

>The US extradition which was categorically denied for years? Ah, I see.

Should we assume from the sudden change in topic that you now agree that the trial for an offense under the UK's Bail Act was, in fact, fair (or at the very least that there doesn't seem to be any evidence to the contrary)?

FYI UNGWAD is not a judicial body; its opinions (not decisions) have no binding force whatsoever.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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It is alleged that Assange coordinated with Chelsea Manning and the Russian government to obtain information for Wikileaks. This would make him an active conspirator in breaking the law. Completely different from Facebook, Google, Twitter etc where they merely provide a platform for others to upload content and aren't actively involved in sourcing illegal content.

And what are the proofs about this russian government involvment?

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Solitary confinement is, at least, very unethical given its known deleterious impacts on mental health[1][2], and can be considered torture for most purposes[3]. [1]: https://semanticscholar.org/paper/8f8fbb6bd68357311bb82e48a8... [2]: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole [3]: http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/appsych/opus/issues/2015/spring/co...

Nils Melzer, the UN special rapporteur on torture has said that Assange is not held in solitary confinement at HMP Belmarsh. Melzer objected against the limited ability of Assange to prepare his legal case. It seems that John Shipton (father of Assange) used therm solitary confinement to describe situation where Assange's access to outside is limited to his lawyers and family. I thing Assage is currently in the the p…

Melzer was pretty specific and his concerns are not just about "access to legal counsel".

> «He continues to be detained under oppressive conditions of isolation and surveillance, not justified by his detention status,” said Melzer

Melzer fairly clearly states that he believes there is credible evidence that Assange has been subjected to psychological torture.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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From what I've researched, the Hillary emails were most likely from an internal source.

Correct. Former Ambassador Craig Murray has stated that a disgruntled DNC employee, unhappy with the treatment of Sanders, personally gave him the emails in Washington and he couriered the emails to his friend Assange who then published them. And as has been pointed out the Podesta emails were taken through a phishing email which was sent to thousands of people (so it wasn't spear phishing) and which he foolishly fel…

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
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