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If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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And this is the reason I never touch anything that has a connection to Facebook. No surprise really but it irks me as I wanted the rift some time ago but then Facebook bought it. Luckily it seems like Valve Index will be a good alternative.

Valve won't collect data?

> Valve won't collect data?

If your boyfriend beats you, the argument that "your next one might, too" isn't a good reason to stay with them.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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And this is the reason I never touch anything that has a connection to Facebook. No surprise really but it irks me as I wanted the rift some time ago but then Facebook bought it. Luckily it seems like Valve Index will be a good alternative.

Valve won't collect data?

Valve's main revenue stream is selling products to consumers (unlike Facebook), so at the very least it's a safer bet.

This quote is entirely unrelated but I thought of it and want to share: "Valve used to make games, now they make money."

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Your systems are sophisticated enough to make people believe their phones are listening to them in the background even when that's not the case. So even if you think they are primitive, a lot of people thinks they're more than sophisticated enough to be creepy.

Is there any evidence to suggest those rumors are actually the result of unusually high levels of sophistication on the part of Facebook's ad targeting systems, and not just an artifact of confirmation bias and the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon?

Why would it need to be unusually sophisticated?

Speech to text and keyword search are both fairly mundane.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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It doesn’t matter. One is still claiming astroturfing with nothing but circumstantial evidence. If you have actual evidence that this account is a troll, post it. Regarding the “new account” argument: HN encourages throwaways. Maybe OP didn’t want to lose karma on their main account. Maybe they don’t want people knowing who he is? It doesn’t matter.

> One is still claiming astroturfing with nothing but circumstantial evidence. And adgineer is claiming various things without any evidence at all.

I never said we should believe him. Just that we shouldn’t claim astroturfing without evidence. We shouldn’t necessarily believe OP without evidence either.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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FB ads engineer here. Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.) Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn'…

I primarily get ads for my employer on Facebook properties, always first / second on the feed. I imagine I'm a tremendously bad target for those.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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FB ads engineer here. Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.) Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn'…

Just wanted to chime in and say kudos for speaking up. That sure is a risky thing to do. Unless, of course, this is just more smoke and mirrors. I like to believe it is not.

It isn’t smoke and mirrors, it might just be idealism or trolling.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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A surprise to exactly nobody. When are people going to stop rewarding the exploitative behavior of Facebook and its offspring?

The DK2 was the last Oculus device I owned precisely due to this. I would have absolutely purchased the CV1 were it not for the FB acquisition.

There is something subconsciously intimate about the movements of my head. The idea of FB getting off to that (obvious to everyone, except the willfully ignorant, that they eventually would) is incredibly creepy.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Valve won't collect data?

Valve's main revenue stream is selling products to consumers (unlike Facebook), so at the very least it's a safer bet. This quote is entirely unrelated but I thought of it and want to share: "Valve used to make games, now they make money."

The HTC privacy policy had some glaring issues in it years ago. Is the new vive different?

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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And this is the reason I never touch anything that has a connection to Facebook. No surprise really but it irks me as I wanted the rift some time ago but then Facebook bought it. Luckily it seems like Valve Index will be a good alternative.

Valve won't collect data?

Gabe has verbally explained the woes of pissing off customers on multiple occasions. It's why he replies to many of the weird emails people send him.

No. They won't. They have far more than proven it at every possible occasion.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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> One is still claiming astroturfing with nothing but circumstantial evidence. And adgineer is claiming various things without any evidence at all.

I never said we should believe him. Just that we shouldn’t claim astroturfing without evidence. We shouldn’t necessarily believe OP without evidence either.

Realistically, on a social site without additional evidence, the default assumption on the modern web should be that a given account is being compensated for what they're posting. An account's history might allow us to adjust that prior.
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