I'm willing to bet this is a reaction to a the Indian exodus from Twitter to the fediverse
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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, Mastodon doesn't implement the full ActivityPub spec [0]. They're still very much behind the effort though, it seems [1] (or at least they were in 2018). I'm not a Mastodon developer, nor have I developed with it, but surely there are learnings there that could potentially be contributed back to the W3C to make ActivityPub better (including making it more rigorously spec'd). The people at the W3C are not gods -…
Sure, Mastodon doesn't implement the full ActivityPub spec [0]. They're still very much behind the effort though, it seems [1] (or at least they were in 2018). Not only this, but they go against it in multiple places. How they've implemented 'summary' and the bizarre things they've done to create compatibility with Misskey (but not in an actually-compatible way, Misskey's had to patch their own solution every time) h…
> Secure Scuttlebutt (not a fan, but it's much better than AP)
If you have any specific feedback about which improvements are most important to you, I'd love to hear it. It's hard to see things with fresh eyes after you've been working on them for a bit.
Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
#153I'd say they should use ActivityPub[1] instead of wasting time on their own incompatible solution, but quite frankly I don't want Twitter federating with Mastodon. We get our fill of chuds with anime avatars thanks to Pleroma, and don't really need or want Twitter around because decentralization won't make it any less of a digital sacrifice zone[2]. 1: https://activitypub.rocks/ 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacri…
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#154> Instead he pointed to the principle of decentralization, and key technologies, such as blockchain, as the solution. Ah... so that's how he's going to get the funding: https://external-preview.redd.it/CypLdP3MLDVm15Lwm1f-M98gyMh... Why else would you need to insert a blockchain into the solution? Scuttlebutt ( https://scuttlebutt.nz/ ) is already one possible solution and they wouldn't have to reinvent some new prot…
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#155For what it’s worth, Matrix is trying to be the protocol that Jack describes here - complete with relative reputation systems ( https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/msc2313/propos... ) and an open standard ( https://matrix.org/docs/spec ) and even an open governance process and foundation ( https://matrix.org/foundation ) - and with work progressing towards fully decentralised p2p matrix. Rather than buildin…
But Matrix is mostly built around chat rooms, not feeds like Twitter. I would assume any new system would take some parts of Matrix and some parts of ActivityPub but not the entire thing.
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#156To those of you pushing for ActivityPub: Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (Pleroma). AP is completely broken for anything but publicly-scoped cont…
I've contribute to Mastodon and run an instance. Yes, it's very silly to think you can use Activity Pub for non-public things .. but isn't that going to be true of ANY distributed social networking protocol? Direct point-to-point we can make secure (relatively) yes. You can run your own e-mail server, setup up PGP keys, and once you make it through that usability nightmare, you now have secure e-mail (if you trust yo…
Perhaps ActivityPub is struggling because it tries to be too much. If it does well at being Twitter, why must it also be Signal messenger? I don't use DM's much at Twitter, if that feature wasn't a part of AP/Mastodon, I wouldn't cry!
That comes across in delete requests. There's no way to guarantee that a server would honor that request. I don't think a blockchain style solution is needed -- just don't try to offer things that are impossible to offer. (There's this idea that AP/decentralized will be Nazi-free... what a ludicrous promise! Although, perhaps that's more an expectation of the users than the protocol authors...)
Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
#157I'm willing to bet this is a reaction to a the Indian exodus from Twitter to the fediverse
Yes, that is exactly what has happened.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could I shoot you an email about this?
I guess. I'll ping you on yours so you can say whatever; I don't keep mine in my profile (mostly out of laziness).
Actually, I can't tell which you're actively using at this point. Your recent comments use one while your profile uses another.
Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
#160Does anyone on HN have an interest in building a decentralized social network together? I've been thinking about doing this for a while now. Feel free to shoot me an email laksman [at] stanford [dot] edu
I want to build the "NationBuilder" of the Fediverse. A PaaS / SaaS giving nonprofits, indie media, and grassroots pols access to host their own social media platform on their own web domain.