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How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by wannabag »

brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

Sometimes, I don't agree with n-gate and just feel home in the comment section of HN... Thanks

The rest of the time I stay away...

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by syshum »

brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

While I agree we need to stop using chrome, I don't know that FF is the path forward.

Mozilla's continued trend away from Openness and the foundation's original goals and more towards business objectives and corporate "morals" similar to those seen in google seems like we are just replacing one Corporate master for another with Modern Mozilla, inc

Long gone are the days of the Mozilla Foundation standing up for the users against the Corporate goliath Microsoft, today they simply adopt what ever Google wants them to provided Google calls them "standard" .

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by mbesto »

brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> Firefox is awesome. FF dev tools are awesome. FF, like Wu Tang, is for the kids.

FF is awesome, but have they fixed the battery issues on Macs yet? It's a non-starter for me to switch.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by tyingq »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #143
tyingq wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your literal statements, but Google does abuse AMP. The way they hijack left/right swipe and the back button for carousel loaded pages is ample evidence for me. It's very clearly not my content any more when you steal the top X pixels and hijack user interactions. AMP also requires I include a Google owned and controlled piece of JavaScript that they can change at any time. That's literally in the "stand…

> The way they hijack left/right swipe and the back button for carousel loaded pages This doesn't happen for me on any of my Android browsers. The problem is likely with your browser. I wouldn't be surprised if Chrome on iOS is buggy just like every other browser available for iOS. > AMP also requires I include a Google owned and controlled piece of JavaScript that they can change at any time If you don't want your p…

"If you don't want your page to load instantly from Google"

Right. Would be a shame if somethin' bad were to happen to my little website, eh Vinnie?

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by vanadium »

pduan wrote: post #129
brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

I tried DDG for a day on my phone. I follow stocks and will often enter "[ticker] stock" and Google search shows me that nice chart at the top. DDG doesn't have anything like that and forces you to click into a financial website. I had to switch back. If it added that widget, I'd probably make the switch full time.

I put in "AAPL stock" and got Apple's ticker. I put in "CGC stock" and got Canopy Growth's. "GOOG stock", got Google's ticker.

The actual queries I entered were not wrapped in quotes. So for some stocks, it's actually there. But no charts.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by LoSboccacc »

cdubzzz wrote: post #70
LoSboccacc wrote: post #48

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> Firefox is awesome. it is doing great now, but lost a great deal of marketshare precisely because it was a slow, bloated mess > FF dev tools are awesome. debatable. chrome hot code replace in debug is a great asset. mounting a local workspace to synchronize changes is situational, but when you can leverage it it's great. firefox code view's "find in files" only search linked javascript, chrome search everywhere so…

Firefox has “hot code replace”. At least in Nightly as of a few months ago when I first used it.

if I put a breakpoint in firefox as of now (71.0) code can't be edited, how do you access hot swapping in debug?

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by rodw »

It's tough to work-around the unilateral-disarmament problem here: if supporting AMP gives you a boost in Google SERPs it's difficult to boycott AMP if your competitors don't.

This is what is so insidious about what Google is doing here and seems to me to maybe make a good case that Google abuses its monopoly power.

(INB4: "It's a bad idea to make your business depend on Google traffic because that's fickle and outside of your control." Sure, that's true, but still, organic Google traffic is a pretty rich vein to completely ignore or cede to competitors.)

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by hinkley »

mbesto wrote: post #153
brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> Firefox is awesome. FF dev tools are awesome. FF, like Wu Tang, is for the kids. FF is awesome, but have they fixed the battery issues on Macs yet? It's a non-starter for me to switch.

Supposedly, a couple of versions back.

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by syshum »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #49
Mirioron wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I think plenty of people have found Mozilla to have made some poor decisions over the years. It feels as though you have to choose between two options that aren't great, so is there a point in switching? Take the add ons situation. At least on Chrome I can run my own add ons.

I suppose my feeling is that this is the same kind of reductive reasoning behind the "same thing, both sides" mentality of American politics. Candidate A: Multiple accusations of bribery, frequently posts racist/sexist/Anti-Semitic/Islamophobic memes on his Twitter account, and sponsored multiple pieces of reprehensible legislation during his tenure in office. Candidate B: Refuses to tip more than 10%, ever. One seem…

That is in no way an objective statement on American politics and the comparison of the 2 party system.

The idea that American's issues with the Democratic canidates can be compared as "Refused to tip more on 10%", is moronic.

It is more like

Candidate A: Multiple accusations of bribery, frequently posts racist/sexist/Anti-Semitic/Islamophobic memes on his Twitter account, and sponsored multiple pieces of reprehensible legislation during his tenure in office.

Candidate B: Wants to Steal my money and give it to other people, wants to force me in to government contolled substandard health care, wants to take my core freedoms (speech, guns, and propery rights), and was to trash the economy so finding a job is hard

Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

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Post by sorryitstrue »

mbesto wrote: post #153
brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

> Firefox is awesome. FF dev tools are awesome. FF, like Wu Tang, is for the kids. FF is awesome, but have they fixed the battery issues on Macs yet? It's a non-starter for me to switch.

FF is significantly better on OSX battery than it was in the past (since v70 I believe).. however Safari is still king. I never fire up Chrome anymore on my Macbook
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