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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by 1000units »

viraptor wrote: post #144
1000units wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920 One learns by theory and experiment. Also, I don't flash my credentials to win arguments online. Think of me as an intellectual sparring partner rather than an authority feeding you what to believe and shape the dialectic accordingly.

There's enough nuance in "mentally stable" that having some actual credentials, training, or at least pointing out relevant studies would be useful. Otherwise it does look like you're equate your moral stance with mental health diagnosis.

I've not provided my moral stance. Engage with what I actually said. For example, you might claim you are personally acquainted with porn actresses who lead healthy and productive lives. Or you might cite research showing they are less likely to abuse elicit recreational drugs, pursue psychiatric intervention, have histories of traumatic abuse, or commit suicide. Or you might discuss the various motivations that might lead one into the porn industry under ideal conditions.

I don't understand the preoccupation with my morals, whatever they're imagined to be.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by kfichter »

basch wrote: post #147
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

wheres the disruptive fintech for these underbanked? Sounds like a gold mine for the right marketing team.

SpankChain

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by teh_infallible »

httpsterio wrote: post #146
linuxhansl wrote: post #123

Whatever you might think of the various professions... As long as it is legal, it seems the major payment service providers should not pass on their moral code onto everybody else. What's next? You get no water/power/whatever if you run a business that the service providers simply do not agree with?

I think PayPal might've publicly said that this is solely because porn poses a greater risks and SFW businesses just due to the amount of actually fraudulent payments and account hacking performed to pay for porn. Also, there's the less obvious issue with charge backs and people lying about getting hacked and having to deal with all that.

Another reason bitcoin could fill this niche

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by teh_infallible »

dragonsngoblins wrote: post #148
rvz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.

That is an extra step which will make people spend less money. Imagine if every time you wanted to buy a cup of coffee or a video game you had to buy a special currency to do it? I bet less of both would be sold

People are more motivated to go through extra steps for porn than they are for coffee.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by viraptor »

1000units wrote: post #151
viraptor wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's enough nuance in "mentally stable" that having some actual credentials, training, or at least pointing out relevant studies would be useful. Otherwise it does look like you're equate your moral stance with mental health diagnosis.

I've not provided my moral stance. Engage with what I actually said. For example, you might claim you are personally acquainted with porn actresses who lead healthy and productive lives. Or you might cite research showing they are less likely to abuse elicit recreational drugs, pursue psychiatric intervention, have histories of traumatic abuse, or commit suicide. Or you might discuss the various motivations that migh…

You've not provided anything - that's the problem. You posted an assertion and not backed it with anything substantial. Try to start with that.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by vbezhenar »

zamadatix wrote: post #131
linuxhansl wrote: post #123

Whatever you might think of the various professions... As long as it is legal, it seems the major payment service providers should not pass on their moral code onto everybody else. What's next? You get no water/power/whatever if you run a business that the service providers simply do not agree with?

Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

If you run a shop, you can't decline service to democrats, even if disagree with them. You can't discriminate, that's the law. I don't see how is it radically different from running a hosting company.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Amezarak »

aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Bitcoin’s use case for this is limited. If I were to purchase a product or service that might be subject to deplatforming, it’d better be anonymous, or I risk facing the social sanctions instead. “Amezarak’s bitcoin address sent 10BTC to a sex worker, fire him” is not a much better situation.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by HaloZero »

vbezhenar wrote: post #157
zamadatix wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

If you run a shop, you can't decline service to democrats, even if disagree with them. You can't discriminate, that's the law. I don't see how is it radically different from running a hosting company.

In the United States I think you can actually. Nothing stops you. You can't discriminate based on a few criteria like race, age, gender (and depending on the state) sexual orientation.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

dessant wrote: post #125
rvz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.

I've just discovered Coinbase Commerce [1], it's an awesome way to quickly start accepting cryptocurrencies, they offer hosted payment pages, payment buttons, webhooks, everything you want. It took me a couple of minutes to sign up and configure a hosted payment page to start accepting donations for my projects. It's rare that I'm excited about a service, but this one appears to come with no strings attached, the wal…

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