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Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by maram »

varenc wrote: post #2

To disable: Settings > Privacy > Advertising > Limit Ad Tracking You can also disable Location-Based Ads: Settings > Privacy > Location Services > System Services (at the bottom) > Location-Based Apple Ads Apple's ad tracking help doc: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 (Apparently they derive your gender based on your first name or the salutation on your iTunes account)

Why is it limit only? Why cannot I turn it off entirely? And why does it take 6 clicks of separation go get to these settings?

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by jessaustin »

kevinh wrote: post #95
jessaustin wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many users would care about this distinction you're attempting to draw between "targeting ads" and "conversion tracking"?

How many users care about either of those at all?

That's the premise of this thread, that we care about these things.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

lonelappde wrote: post #51
blkhp19 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It blows my mind, and makes me nervous about my own future, that old people do this kind of thing. Are they actually incapable of learning the right way to do things? Is neuroplasticity playing a role here? Do they not care that their images look terrible when zoomed in on? I guess they grew up in an era when photos frequently had time and date stamps, and if their eyesight is going... I guess that explains both poin…

If you are going to become an app developer, you shot stop blaming users for not learning your made up UI language, and start making your app work in their language. I thought some apps and iOS had already responded to this workflow by doing smart things when users try to create screenshots. If they haven't yet, they should. There's no need in the common case for "screenshot" and "share main image" to have different…

You "start making your app work in their language" by hijacking default OS functionality?

No.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by criddell »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #15

> Phone users can currently disable the IDFA, but have to do so manually; Android users aren’t even given this option Huh. I have never heard of this.

Too many incentives are wrong for Google. They are fundamentally an advertising company that has built their fortune monitoring users. They aren't going to build an operating system that actively works against their best interests.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by hardwaresofton »

scarface74 wrote: post #139
hardwaresofton wrote: post #73

If only someone had created a viable alternative to both Google and Apple's phones. Maybe they could base it on the browser? Web technologies are getting pretty good these days. One of the popular browsers that are an alternative to safari and google chrome... Like some sort of browser-OS.

Every platform that has tried that for the last decade has failed - Palm, Firefox, RIM, and Microsoft have all had development platforms “based on web technologies”.

This was a bit tongue-in-cheek -- I was referencing FirefoxOS, and insinuating that mozilla should have stuck to their guns (and maybe changed their batshit market strategy of racing other android vendors to the bottom-most market segment) and kept FirefoxOS in their portfolio.

If a phone OS isn't a strategic bet, I don't know what is. All the people spending money on the librem would have happily bought FFOS phones, if they made proper high spec ones (I still have one of the highest spec FFOS phones ever made and it wasn't that impressive).

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by hardwaresofton »

rimliu wrote: post #138
hardwaresofton wrote: post #73

If only someone had created a viable alternative to both Google and Apple's phones. Maybe they could base it on the browser? Web technologies are getting pretty good these days. One of the popular browsers that are an alternative to safari and google chrome... Like some sort of browser-OS.

How do you carry a browser in your pocket?

I'm not sure I understand this question but it's pretty doable -- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/B2G_OS

The comment was tongue in cheek -- mozilla had already done everything I suggested (the effort was called FirefoxOS), but they mismanaged and abandoned it. The renewed focus on Firefox the browser (if that had anything to do with it) was good, but some of the other stuff they started pushing like WebVR is/was pretty short-sighted in my opinion.

If mozilla wanted to set themselves up as the open alternative to apple/google, keeping a phone in the portfolio is/was pretty important. Maybe the cost was just too unsustainable but from what I can see it was mismanaged more than impossible to make profitable.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by api »

krageon wrote: post #131
BurningFrog wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were mobile phones decades before any of this existed.

And to the extent that this was practical, they have always been used for surveillance.

Yeah I guess people carrying around transmitters is too easy to exploit for surveillance and it's just irresistible.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by snarf21 »

mojuba wrote: post #48
varenc wrote: post #40

Mozilla suggests resetting the IDFA once per month...but that seems pretty trivial to workaround? If an app you used previously starts up and sees that your IDFA changed, it's easy for that app to know that the old IDFA and the new IDFA refer to the same user! This tracking is all possible because iOS gives every app on the device the same IDFA (advertising identifier [1]). They can then correlate all your activity a…

Unfortunately the majority of more or less useful or popular apps are also linked against various analytics/attribution platforms, often many of them at once. Mixpanel, Amplitude, AppsFlyer, Branch to name a few, plus Facebook and/or Google. In fact having any of the Google's or Facebook's SDKs means tracking, e.g. Maps, Login etc. Somehow these platforms have no problem with identifying users across their client app…

Right, how often does our external IP change on our home WiFi network or work WiFi network? There are so many other things that can be used to fingerprint. This is part of the reason encrypted DNS and other efforts have some merit. The cell providers have data and know exactly where you are via triangulation.

Has anyone been using Cloudflare's Warp VPN? I wonder if this is the best approach. Paying a private company to act as a one hop TOR to minimize fingerprinting. If the cell networks just see all CF traffic, they may know where I am but not who I'm connecting too. I get that this means I must trust CF but I trust them more than ATT/Verizon anyway. I just want some open source from CF on the mobile side that shows that the private keys are kept in the device's SecureEnclave and not anywhere on disk.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by BurningFrog »

krageon wrote: post #131
BurningFrog wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were mobile phones decades before any of this existed.

And to the extent that this was practical, they have always been used for surveillance.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but that's definitely not their primary purpose, which is what I think OP was saying.

Sure, once they exist, there are secondary effects who are important in themselves.

Re: Privacy: Is That iPhone?

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Post by v3v3 »

DavideNL wrote: post #120

Somewhat related: when i re-install Youtube or Google Home i am automatically logged in to both apps. Even if i delete the apps and wait weeks/months and then reinstall, i'm logged in again when i first open them. I have enabled "Settings > Privacy > Advertising > Limit Ad Tracking" and also cleared all Safari history. How is this possible?

Go to "Settings > General > iPhone Storage".

On the list of apps you will see "Google LLC". This is where Google stores account data and this is shared with all Google apps.

Under Google LLC it says "Data shared by X apps".

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