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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Wait, so if I have this correct, the airport took ~6 years to construct and 9 years and counting to correct problems with its construction? Meaning that it would have been faster to tear the entire building down and rebuild it from scratch than it is taking to remedy the issues? How does that happen‽

Inept State/Corporate entities who hire based on immutable characteristics of an individual rather than their actual ability to complete given task.

Corrupt State/Corporate entities who'd rather have money in their private bank than complete given task for public good.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens. Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

False comparison. Google users are voluntary. No one forces someone to use Google like the Government forces someone to pay tax.

> False comparison. Google users are voluntary.

Not entirely. I can choose not to use Gmail or similar services.

I can opt out of Google ads+tracking only because I'm technically adept enough. I can't (realistically) opt out of reCaptcha.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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How in the world does Tesla execute so fast? The Tesla team seems relentless in its ambitions.

Checkout this internal memo from Elon just as the Model 3 was going into ramp-up for production:

– Excessive meetings are the blight of big companies and almost always get worse over time. Please get of all large meetings, unless you’re certain they are providing value to the whole audience, in which case keep them very short.

– Also get rid of frequent meetings, unless you are dealing with an extremely urgent matter. Meeting frequency should drop rapidly once the urgent matter is resolved.

– Walk out of a meeting or drop off a call as soon as it is obvious you aren’t adding value. It is not rude to leave, it is rude to make someone stay and waste their time.

– Don’t use acronyms or nonsense words for objects, software or processes at Tesla. In general, anything that requires an explanation inhibits communication. We don’t want people to have to memorize a glossary just to function at Tesla.

– Communication should travel via the shortest path necessary to get the job done, not through the “chain of command”. Any manager who attempts to enforce chain of command communication will soon find themselves working elsewhere.

– A major source of issues is poor communication between depts. The way to solve this is allow free flow of information between all levels. If, in order to get something done between depts, an individual contributor has to talk to their manager, who talks to a director, who talks to a VP, who talks to another VP, who talks to a director, who talks to a manager, who talks to someone doing the actual work, then super dumb things will happen. It must be ok for people to talk directly and just make the right thing happen.

– In general, always pick common sense as your guide. If following a “company rule” is obviously ridiculous in a particular situation, such that it would make for a great Dilbert cartoon, then the rule should change.

If there is something you think should be done to make Tesla execute better or allow you to look forward to coming to work more (same thing in the long term), please send a note to [redacted]

[1] https://medium.com/@StartupJourney/elon-musks-6-productivity...

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

#155
post #26

German labour laws are very well suited plus there labour pool of qualified people is also very large.

why are german labour laws very well suited? Tesla had several incidents with injured workers and safety violations

> Tesla had several incidents with injured workers and safety violations

More than the industry average in the state of California? If so, care to site your source?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla fails to report OSHA violations, or even workplace injuries (such as Dillon's missing finger). As such, their statistics are fully bunk. We're blind to the issue, outside of scattered reports. Tesla needs to fix their reporting problem before we can even have hope at measuring the incidence rate at their factory.

Unless you have numbers about their numbers it’s just anecdotal and will come across as FUD, so you know.

Exactly.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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It's not really about that, so much as wanting to avoid what happened to the Bay Area. Massive gentrification, something Berlin has already struggled with for about 10 years (almost its defining issue in modern times IMO), is a serious problem if the rest of the city is rather poor, which Berlin actually was in the 2000s compared to the rest of the country ("poor but sexy", as it was sold).

When I hear this, I hear jobs and the most revolutionary green company are not welcome. If that's the case, Berlin is lost. There is good and bad to gentrification. You don't hear stories of the people who bought their house for 50k in 1980 who then sold it in 2010 for 1.3MM. Or the people thankful they don't have to walk around in fear of gangs for themselves or their children. TO me the biggest problem is the State…

You’re making it look like it’s either the ghetto or the yuppies, but there is a clear middle that people don’t want to sacrifice either. Having a bunch of people paid 5 times what you are coming to your area is never fun.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

As a reaction, Google doubled down on the Munich office (+1500 employees) and Zurich, Switzerland (+4500 employees).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

#159
post #8

They obviously needed to get one built in Europe sooner rather than later to boost marketshare there and stay ahead of demand without needing to ship from China or the US, but why Berlin? Does anyone know if they got subsidies out of it?

I think Berlin is a great choice, because it excels at the metrics that matter most in constructing a new gigafactory. I believe the most critical metrics are: - cost of construction, including cost of land: extremely low in Berlin - cost of labour/wages: extremely low in Berlin - standard of living: very high, healthy - reachability: near Airport, highways, railroad - location within Europe: Germany/Berlin is perfectly in the middle of Europe with great railroad/truck connections to all other - regulation/friendliness to car industry: exceptional in Germany, as auto industry is the world's biggest - talent: world-class in Germany - law and order/rule of law: one of the best in the world

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel may be cooler than Las Vegas but definitely warmer than Reno, NV where the gigafactory is located. Reno gets 22 inches of snow per year.

Our north snows every year and it gets really cold in the winter (the center of the country Jerusalem snows every other year too). Also, Jordan next to us has Teslas and we have lower temperatures so it's not the climate.

If you don't mind, this always fascinates me. What does "really cold" mean to you?
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