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Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by boomlinde »

jasode wrote: post #106
danShumway wrote: post #103

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> I'm talking about users aggregate behaviors. So am I. For example, Github currently hosts the majority of Git repositories online, and I've heard people argue that this means Git isn't really decentralized, because the user behavior is to stick everything into a central repository on a central server. But when Microsoft bought Github, lots of people migrated to Gitlab, and (issues notwithstanding) it was easy for t…

>When I talk about decentralization as a practical concern, I'm not worried about users aggregating around good services. I'm worried about whether the architecture supports moving away from or augmenting those services if something goes wrong in the future. I understand your point here but this sounds more like a technical detail and not about social power structure. To your point, I'd also say the combination of DN…

> Instead of thinking about what's technically possible with cache index servers, we should think about what humans typically do that inadvertently recreates centralization that nobody seems to want.

The comment you link to above makes a technical argument. It asserts what you believe is and isn't technically possible. In that sense I feel like you are moving the goal posts.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by dmos62 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #149
dmos62 wrote: post #145

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I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users. I.e., this user on Google Search and this user on Google Maps are the same person. I agree that this is a competitive advantage, because, in the same vein, it gives the platform owners more data. Technically, anonymized cross-platform-linked data is conceivable. I think if the legislation ball ever gets rolling two things we're likely to…

>I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users. Its "this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad." You can't make this anonymous and near as useful, and it is currently YouTube and Google's premium money maker. Most other data is already available with a little work, providing the data you describe doesn't help competition that much.

> this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad

That's what I meant by cross-platform linking.

> You can't make this anonymous and near as useful

I argue that you can. Anonymity is about not linking you, the physical person, to your online presence. An online presence can be tracked and profiled, without the invasion of privacy. It all depends on what data is collectable and who has access to the data. An algo provider doesn't need to also control the data it is used on, it just needs access to training datasets. There are technical solutions to all these problems, but it's a political solution that's lacking.

> Most other data is already available with a little work, providing the data you describe doesn't help competition that much.

Well if it doesn't help competition, how useful can it be?

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by boomboomsubban »

dmos62 wrote: post #152
boomboomsubban wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users. Its "this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad." You can't make this anonymous and near as useful, and it is currently YouTube and Google's premium money maker. Most other data is already available with a little work, providing the data you describe doesn't help competition that much.

> this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad That's what I meant by cross-platform linking. > You can't make this anonymous and near as useful I argue that you can. Anonymity is about not linking you, the physical person, to your online presence. An online presence can be tracked and profiled, without the invasion of privacy. It all depends on what data is collectable and who…

>That's what I meant by cross-platform linking..

Everything there is taking place on YouTube. Ads can maybe be a cross platform, but even that isn't necessary

>I argue that you can

It can't. Knowing what videos I have watched in the past is very useful. This can't truly be anonymous and shared.

>Well if it doesn't help competition, how useful can it be?

You are the one arguing that releasing this data solves a problem.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by bogwog »

lewisflude wrote: post #148
bogwog wrote: post #83

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Anyone can start an instance and post whatever they want. Just because it has "peertube" in the URL doesn't mean it's an "official" instance or anything like that.

Sounds like centralisation to me! No more open than making a WordPress blog. Am I wrong?

You are wrong because the difference is that the individual instances are federated. This means that they connect together in the backend to provide users with each other's content.

When you go on Youtube and watch someone's channel, the side bar shows you suggested videos from other channels.

PeerTube can do that same thing even if every channel is hosted on its own instance. The administrator just needs to link their instance with others (so they can, for example, avoid linking to porn instances or other undesired/unrelated topics), and PeerTube will start displaying videos hosted on other instances all without requiring the user to visit another website.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by [deleted] »

MayeulC wrote: post #139
throwaway9x wrote: post #134

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Video_Coding From what I can tell SVC adds lower resolution streams to the H264 bitstream so that devices with weaker decoders can still decode the video. This would increase, not decrease, the bandwidth. >Do any of you know open source libraries, or documentation on SVC for mp4, VP9 or AV1 It appears to be defined as annex G in the H.264 (mpeg4 part 10) spec, so it's not availa…

> This would increase, not decrease, the bandwidth. Not if that part of the stream isn't downloaded. It's quite easy to skip over some chunks in either HTTP (range) or bittorent. > The status quo is to use Adaptive Bitrate, where you publish streams at different quality levels and have the client choose which stream to use to adapt to network conditions. This works well if you have a good connection (uninterrupted, s…

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Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by lewisflude »

bogwog wrote: post #154
lewisflude wrote: post #148

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Sounds like centralisation to me! No more open than making a WordPress blog. Am I wrong?

You are wrong because the difference is that the individual instances are federated. This means that they connect together in the backend to provide users with each other's content. When you go on Youtube and watch someone's channel, the side bar shows you suggested videos from other channels. PeerTube can do that same thing even if every channel is hosted on its own instance. The administrator just needs to link the…

That makes sense! So KittensTube, MagicTricksTube and CleanTube could all connect to each other and act as a network of federated sites based off of PeerTube?

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by bogwog »

lewisflude wrote: post #156
bogwog wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are wrong because the difference is that the individual instances are federated. This means that they connect together in the backend to provide users with each other's content. When you go on Youtube and watch someone's channel, the side bar shows you suggested videos from other channels. PeerTube can do that same thing even if every channel is hosted on its own instance. The administrator just needs to link the…

That makes sense! So KittensTube, MagicTricksTube and CleanTube could all connect to each other and act as a network of federated sites based off of PeerTube?

Yup, it's the same concept as GNU social, Mastodon, Pleroma, etc.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by dmos62 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #153
dmos62 wrote: post #152

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> this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad That's what I meant by cross-platform linking. > You can't make this anonymous and near as useful I argue that you can. Anonymity is about not linking you, the physical person, to your online presence. An online presence can be tracked and profiled, without the invasion of privacy. It all depends on what data is collectable and who…

>That's what I meant by cross-platform linking.. Everything there is taking place on YouTube. Ads can maybe be a cross platform, but even that isn't necessary >I argue that you can It can't. Knowing what videos I have watched in the past is very useful. This can't truly be anonymous and shared. >Well if it doesn't help competition, how useful can it be? You are the one arguing that releasing this data solves a proble…

I've tried to explain my thoughts on all these points. This seems like a dead conversation, so let's not continue it.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by solf1re »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #12
solf1re wrote: post #2

can anyone tdlr peertube vs lbry?

Peertube is a feration protocol for YouTube-like video hosts to interact with eachother. Or more precisely, it's an implementation of ActivityPub, like Mastodon, focused on video hosting. LBRY appears to be some kind of cryptocurrency thing. I don't know. Looks shady.

Thanks for the response, not sure why my request had been downvoted :/ I've used LBRY in the past, its decentralised video hosting as I understand it. But also allows for content producers to monetise their stuff. kauffj mentions it above - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21513640
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