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The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by sp332 »

sp332 wrote: post #106
Falling3 wrote: post #53

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I've tried disabling javascript several ways, and they all lead to a complete crippling of the site. 30+ JS scripts are load. As it should be obvious from using the mobile version of the site that it makes heavy use of javascript. Even the source is riddled with script tags. I have no idea how you're coming to your conclusion, but it matches none of what I'm seeing.

This is what I got. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vm7pm3msx315h2z/Facebook.html?dl=0 All the links are broken in this file from a quick attempt to anonymize my friends, but everything else is intact. No script tags. I intentionally used the mobile site because it's an example of an extremely popular site that doesn't use JS.

[update - link deleted]

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Post by throwaway_law »

wlesieutre wrote: post #122
jagged-chisel wrote: post #113

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But I am . Your neighbors work for The Government. Your community members make up The Government. It's government by us, made of us, and for us. It's us. There are humans working in government with access to the data. And any new government employee or elected or appointed person from your community will have access to the data... We have to remind people that The Government isn't some distant "other" - it's made of…

Right, and by requiring a warrant to dig though my shit, at least there's one person with legal training who's ostensibly concerned about my constitutionally protected rights involved in the process. Just like the priesthood apparently attracts pedophiles because of the opportunities it offers, law enforcement is made of people, and some of those people will have gotten in to it opportunities it provides. Having acce…

>Right, and by requiring a warrant to dig though my shit, at least there's one person with legal training who's ostensibly concerned about my constitutionally protected rights involved in the process.

That warrant isn't required to dig through your data...the warrant is only required to keep your data from being suppressed as evidence in court.

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Post by mckinney »

staticjak wrote: post #147
dingus wrote: post #145

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A quarter of the US population isn't common? Not to mention entire countries with limited connections.

Common is 50% or more by everyone's definition.

You confuse "Most" with "Common" e.g., A Toyota is a common car to see on the road. See.

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Post by kbos87 »

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Thank you! The error rate of facial recognition and similar technologies is a completely moot point and a very easy one for anyone to talk their way out of. The scariest thing isn’t the case where this technology gets it wrong, it’s when it’s used effectively for the wrong reasons.

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Post by lefstathiou »

pdonis wrote: post #148
lefstathiou wrote: post #146

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The exercise was to imagine it working perfectly. : )

But nothing in the real world ever works perfectly. And past experience with giving governments power indicates that, before giving the government any power, you should imagine it being exercised by your worst enemy.

I hear you. You won’t see me campaigning against gun ownership.

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Post by pdonis »

lefstathiou wrote: post #155
pdonis wrote: post #148

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But nothing in the real world ever works perfectly. And past experience with giving governments power indicates that, before giving the government any power, you should imagine it being exercised by your worst enemy.

I hear you. You won’t see me campaigning against gun ownership.

In the kind of world you are excited about, as far as I can see, it wouldn't matter whether you or I campaigned against (or for) gun ownership, because we wouldn't be the ones deciding about it. The government would be, based on its assessment of whether guns need to be banned in order to weed out bad actors.

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Post by justinclift »

Mirioron wrote: post #137
Springtime wrote: post #83

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This form of argument was covered in Daniel J. Solove's ''I've got nothing to hide'' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy (available to read online), which goes into some detail about how such analogies are rather easily countered since they're not based on actual examples (privacy 'dead bodies' so to speak) that demonstrate abuse/negative impacts. In this case the analogy being made is that by accepting certain fo…

Even if they reason themselves out of this concern, if that data ever leaks then it will pretty much be like handing over your phone. It'll likely even come with years worth of data.

Imagine, one of their future kids becomes famous/president/etc.

That parent's history will be leveraged if at all possible, whether they like it or not.

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Post by throw1234651234 »

kick wrote: post #13
throw1234651234 wrote: post #11

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I am hard-pressed to think of a popular page which doesn't use JavaScript.

"doesn't use JavaScript" and "can't work without JavaScript" are two separate issues. Google, the most popular page on the internet, doesn't force you to use Javascript.

It's also one texbox and button.
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