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Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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I'm sorry but liberal democracy doesn't infer a strict libertarian view on political campaign messaging. I don't want to assume you're American, but your fatalistic view of government sure does point towards that. I suggest you spend some time looking at how other liberal democracies handle this challenge. Online political advertising remains a challenge everywhere but usually the same legal and ethical frameworks ap…

So far as I can tell most other liberal democracies either handle the issue much the same way as the US does or they just flat out ban political parties that are too “fringe”. I wouldn’t trust anyone who wanted to be the censor to be the censor.

Few countries are like the USA if you’re willing to look close enough. The differences are there even if they don’t scream out at you.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Are political ads labeled / presented any differently than regular ads on Facebook? The main issue I have with this is how Facebook strategically blends advertisements (which is often political during election cycles) together with organic non-sponsored content. Anecdote: My 84 year old grandmother spends 1-2 hours per day scrolling through Facebook's news feed. When I watch her do it, she pays ZERO attention to why…

Why can't FB charge a minimal subscription fee? For 2-3 bucks a year, wouldn't they keep the vast majority of users and simultaneously remove their dependence on shadowy advertisement dollars?

Their average revenue per active user faaaaar exceeds $2-3/yr in the US at least.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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I think the crux of the question raised here is: "Is there anything wrong, ethically or legally, with a social media site accepting payments in exchange for algorithmically amplifying the amount of people that see the paid-for content? Does the answer to this question depend on the veracity of the information presented in the content? If so, does Facebook have some sort of obligation to ensure that paid-for content i…

Agree wholeheartedly with how you posed the question, I would like to expand: Should Adult (xxx) sites be held accountable for ads for male enlargement pills/snake oils? I personally don't think so. Is the answer to this problem to teach our population that blindly accepting what you read is safe (you can trust information posted on social media/public internet sites as fact) OR do we instead teach our citizens to fi…

> Why try to make it safe for your population NOT to have to think instead of just teaching them how to think critically?

Hmmm...a question like that is essentially opening up the gates for speculation - the kind of speculation that may not paint the government (the body that seems to be pushing for, as you say, "trustworthy information") in the most benevolent light.

I agree with the essence of what you're getting at - it's the old biblical trope of giving a man a fish vs. teaching a man to fish. But I could think of many possible benefits (for a government) in having a population with a reduced ability or incentive to be analytical and think critically. To be fair, I can think of many possible costs as well - I don't know whether one would outweigh the other.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Facebook could provide a quota of free advertising to political parties, and not allow them to buy any more outside their quota. This would be akin to government provided airtime (“Party Political Broadcasts”) as done in Canada, UK and Ireland. I’ve always felt nervous about the role of money in politics and removing the requirement for massive ad-spend budgets might bring us closer to a more moral democracy, and awa…

No thanks. As a member of a small party that seems like it would just make us unable to meet the ridiculous requirements to qualify. As it is right now we can just pay for ads instead of having to meet arbitrary criteria. Thats a much fairer state of things

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Indeed this is the way it works but I think you restrict your view by taking social media as some society constant. If there is no way for the public to find the information it looks for in a meaningful way in facebook or twitter, it will migrate to something else or push it to change. It might push the platforms to feed people with an equal share of all sides instead of feeding them what the "want" and anyone else h…

Paid advertising to get ideas out has existed for at least as long as we've had newspapers and probably a lot longer. Take this case, for example. URL says it all: https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/muslims-take-out-full-page-n... It sounds nice to say that we are going to keep some communication channels free of political speech. It is an option. But it is possible (I claim: likely) that more communication leads to bet…

> But it is possible (I claim: likely) that more communication leads to better political outcomes

Not when that speech is deceptive, and particularly not when people can pay money to a company to ensure that those lies are disseminated as widely as possible.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Political ads are not a problem. Targeted political ads are the real problem. I think all targeted ads are the real problem.

I actually think you're right and if any regulation is to be made, this seems the easiest and most non intrusive while still offering all candidates a level playing field.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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>Ads can be an important part of voice - especially for candidates and advocacy groups the media might not otherwise cover so they can get their message into debates It's interesting how hard Zuck is working to try and conflate the idea of 'free speech' with paid advertisements. To put it another way, if advertising on Facebook is part of my free speech, surely Zuck must run my adverts despite the fact I have no mone…

"It's interesting how hard Zuck is working to try and conflate the idea of 'free speech' with paid advertisements."

My free speech rights include the right to pay for an advertisement to get across my message or to join with others to do so. Progressives dominate the media and academia and want to shut down other outlets.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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post #77

Are political ads labeled / presented any differently than regular ads on Facebook? The main issue I have with this is how Facebook strategically blends advertisements (which is often political during election cycles) together with organic non-sponsored content. Anecdote: My 84 year old grandmother spends 1-2 hours per day scrolling through Facebook's news feed. When I watch her do it, she pays ZERO attention to why…

> To me, the primary issue is that Facebook does not adequately differentiate organic content from sponsored content.

This is a classic isolated demand for rigor. “Sponsored” is exactly as prominent on Facebook as “op-ed” is on newspapers and “advertisement” is on whole sponsored segments of magazines. In all cases that word is there at the top in a normal font. What else are they supposed to do, make it flashing and rainbow colored? Why not complain about newspapers not doing that?

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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Just ban all political ads.

sounds easy but in practice hard. You can run ads on political and social issues that directly correlate with one candidate's campaign. What about those ads? But then you could also be running ads to push a public issue such as climate change independent of anyone's campaign. How do you differentiate between the two?

Meh, those are just details. Banning political ads will definitely hit some grey area, but whatever that grey area is would be better than where we are now.

Re: Zuckerberg doubles down on Facebook political ads policy after Twitter ban

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I notice you don't address his actual point though. If, let's say, a group advocating for the abolishment of asset forfeiture wants to communicate their message, and the media is not covering it, it would be natural for them to try paying for ads, and the obvious place to put ads are on social media, since that's where the eyeballs are (cf, the collapse of the news media). If social media bans those ads then while th…

If the media isn't covering their message because they're LYING, then the media is doing their job. The fact Zuckerberg thinks that people who are intentionally misleading people "deserve a voice" is ridiculous. These aren't little white lies, or a bending of the truth, they're bald-faced lies intended to confuse or misinform the voting public. I'm not sure why we're pretending they deserve the same platform as peopl…

Who gets to determine what the lies are? I think the following frequently-made assertions are misleading:

(1) Women are paid 72 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men. (2) Rich people pay less taxes than the poor. (3) Blacks are being wantonly killed by the police in large numbers.

However, I think that in a free country, progressives can make ads with such messages, and conservatives are free to debunk them. Likewise, progressives can debunk misleading statements by conservatives.

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