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Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by cscurmudgeon » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 8:22 PM UTC

hnhg wrote: post #146

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #144

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So the guy I was replying to was not engaging in Whataboutism?

I felt you were. While your point is not unimportant, it stands separate to the original one.

Please read your own link and understand it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/971h62/ty...

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by kerkeslager » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 5:45 AM UTC

rjf72 wrote: post #145

yellowapple wrote: post #138

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I agree with this, as someone who rolls his eyes at the vast majority of what Al Jazeera publishes. I have a similar attitude with RT and Fox News and Breitbart; I may strongly disagree with a lot of their conclusions, but I do recognize the importance of understanding the thought processes underpinning those conclusions.

When you expose yourself to different news sources it also makes clear who is engaging in propaganda. It's only by comparing the information provided by various nations that one can clearly see who is manipulating the available information to push an agenda. One extremely contemporary example of this is Hong Kong. In trying to find out what was going on, I was searching for videos of the police shootings. This [1] is…

Wow, yeah. The difference in impressions created between the two links is huge.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by kerkeslager » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 6:20 AM UTC

rjf72 wrote: post #149

pas wrote: post #147

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What is your interpretation of the Reuters cut?

This is the text from that article: "Police confirmed that an officer opened fire at a protester, saying he was acting in self-defense. “A large group of rioters was attacking police officers in Tsuen Wan,” police said in a statement. “Police officers warned them, but they were still attacking police. A police officer’s life was seriously endangered. In order to save his and other officers’ lives, they fired at the a…

> I think the whole propaganda war is idiotic. Let people see what's happening on both sides with complete context and judge for themselves. Real life is not full of Hollywood heroes and villains, it's invariably a million shades of gray. Debate and discussion these issues is healthy and productive for everybody. Most ironically, I suspect people would ultimately come to the same conclusion even with honest context. So why lie?

Well, which conclusion do you think they would come to?

In general, I agree with you that the media should strive to give an accurate impression of the truth and let the public form their own opinion. But this is a really gut-wrenching position to take sometimes, because the it's so clear that public opinion isn't capable of nuances like supporting a cause without supporting all the tactics of its supporters. Just as life is not full of Hollywood heroes and villains, it doesn't have Hollywood endings either. The good guys don't always win, and often the good guys don't win because the bad guys are willing to lie, and ambguity makes the good guys indecisive.