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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by stephenr » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:40 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

Comparing a screen in front of the keyboard at a weird angle to the main screen to “multiple monitors” when “on the road” is like suggesting McDonald’s to a home cooked meal “when on the road”.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by robin_reala » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:40 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #125

ascii_only wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that sarcasm, because I had cheap Symbian 40 phone with Opera mobile way before iPhone was announced. Browser that i used everywhere. And this Symbian phones were majority of the market. Also Windows mobile phones that only geeks were using at the time also had browser and also way before iPhone.

The Opera browser at the time for mobile weren’t full browsers. They rendered on a server and had limitations.

No, that was Opera Mini. Opera Mobile was a full browser using Presto, and ran on a bunch of platforms including Symbian, Windows Mobile and Maemo.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:43 PM UTC

I'm very surprised that Intel gave away Lakefield to Microsoft just for that.

Few Intel insiders I knew were talking about Lakefield as almost like a "saviour" product for Intel waning consumer electronics marker appeal.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by keymon-o » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:47 PM UTC

pitaj wrote: post #144

augustl wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never been more happy with a desktop environment than when I used i3. The sloppy window management in macOS combined with the scarce selection of laptops (of which none are really good in my opinion) has led me to try win10 as my development environment. i3-like on Windows would have been great!

You may want to check out FancyZones https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/blob/master/src/modul...

Not a full feature i3-like software, but I was amazed how it implements almost all features I like about i3.

https://www.workspacer.org/

It was mentioned in a FancyZones thread a few months ago.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by al2o3cr » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:48 PM UTC

Was there any specific mention of the device's thickness? The photos look like each side is about the same as a typical tablet, which would make this thing a pretty chonky boi when folded...

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by asenna » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

stephenr wrote: post #151

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

Comparing a screen in front of the keyboard at a weird angle to the main screen to “multiple monitors” when “on the road” is like suggesting McDonald’s to a home cooked meal “when on the road”.

The comparison is between a laptop having just the one screen VS a laptop with another screen squeezed in irrespective of the angle.

As long as I can have my terminal down there or my Lightroom film strip or a Youtube podcast open, that's a lot better experience than just one screen. Yes, it's a compromise from an actual desktop environment, but still a huge step up from not having any extra screen.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by kccqzy » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #125

ascii_only wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that sarcasm, because I had cheap Symbian 40 phone with Opera mobile way before iPhone was announced. Browser that i used everywhere. And this Symbian phones were majority of the market. Also Windows mobile phones that only geeks were using at the time also had browser and also way before iPhone.

The Opera browser at the time for mobile weren’t full browsers. They rendered on a server and had limitations.

The web at that time didn't need full browsers to be enjoyable. Most websites were like what Hacker News is right now: just simple HTML, little to no JavaScript, and easy on bandwidth.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by stephenr » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:53 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #156

stephenr wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing a screen in front of the keyboard at a weird angle to the main screen to “multiple monitors” when “on the road” is like suggesting McDonald’s to a home cooked meal “when on the road”.

The comparison is between a laptop having just the one screen VS a laptop with another screen squeezed in irrespective of the angle. As long as I can have my terminal down there or my Lightroom film strip or a Youtube podcast open, that's a lot better experience than just one screen. Yes, it's a compromise from an actual desktop environment, but still a huge step up from not having any extra screen.

portable displays are a thing that exists, and don’t force you to strain your neck or eyes to be useful.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:57 PM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #157

scarface74 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Opera browser at the time for mobile weren’t full browsers. They rendered on a server and had limitations.

The web at that time didn't need full browsers to be enjoyable. Most websites were like what Hacker News is right now: just simple HTML, little to no JavaScript, and easy on bandwidth.

By 2005, Flash was ubiquitous and one of the knocks against the iPhone in 2007 was that it couldn’t run Flash. Plug ins were ubiquitous and bloated MySpace pages and Geocities was a thing.

Home broadband adoption was already 40% (https://www.pewinternet.org/2006/05/28/home-broadband-adopti...)

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by asenna » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

stephenr wrote: post #158

asenna wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comparison is between a laptop having just the one screen VS a laptop with another screen squeezed in irrespective of the angle. As long as I can have my terminal down there or my Lightroom film strip or a Youtube podcast open, that's a lot better experience than just one screen. Yes, it's a compromise from an actual desktop environment, but still a huge step up from not having any extra screen.

portable displays are a thing that exists, and don’t force you to strain your neck or eyes to be useful.

Yes, and I carry one around in my backpack all the time. But it's not convenient in many situations.

As I posted elsewhere:

> One of the reasons I'm excited about a built-in second screen is, I don't need to carry another extra device (second screen or iPad). I mean even if I need to use an ipad, I'm currently slouching on my couch. I need a flat surface to keep that ipad/screen at the right angle. Sounds petty but it's just very convenient to have more real estate on your lap (or on a flight or cafe table).