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Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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gravypod wrote: post #122
vbezhenar wrote: post #16

Now it's an interesting battle. I want to build new workstation, probably in 2020. I was going to go to Threadripper route, but now I have a choice and that's awesome.

TR4 will likely support PCIe 4.0. It seems to make sense to me to pick Threadripper because of this. Ignoring costs the future-proof of having tomorrow's IO interconnect is probably worth a few bucks for a work machine.

PCIe 4 is only really worth it for enhanced storage drives... and they do come with some heat and related performance penalties if the case airflow is insufficient.

Depending on your workloads, it may well be worth it for you though.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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mbfg wrote: post #67

The question is how much of this is pure marketing, given Intel's supply problems, and how much is this a real product. Will Intel actually be able to match demand for these products in the short term? It's an easy marketing win if you promise half price parts but customers enmasse can't actually buy them.

Given the ability to actually buy an r9-3900x anywhere close to list price, I'm not sure it really matters either way at the moment.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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nvrspyx wrote: post #95
Synaesthesia wrote: post #82

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Yeah it has gotten worse. You should run an adblocker on your iOS device.

To add, I recommend Adguard, 1Blocker X, Wipr, or Firefox Focus. Out of those, I believe only 1Blocker X has a cost, although AdGuard has a subscription for DNS privacy and security/custom filters. I personally use 1Blocker X.

Is there a Brave release for iOS, been pretty happy with it for Android.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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noipv4 wrote: post #3

Ryzen9 [3900X 12C/24T and 3950X 16C/32T] both @ 105W will be Intel HEDT's coffins

I think the next ThreadRipper release will be what really kicks Intel HEDT line. The new pricing structure seems competitive against the R9 series. I've already bought AMD and don't plan on switching for 4-5 years though (3600 waiting for 3950x to drop).

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by nvrspyx »

tracker1 wrote: post #153
nvrspyx wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add, I recommend Adguard, 1Blocker X, Wipr, or Firefox Focus. Out of those, I believe only 1Blocker X has a cost, although AdGuard has a subscription for DNS privacy and security/custom filters. I personally use 1Blocker X.

Is there a Brave release for iOS, been pretty happy with it for Android.

Brave browser is on iOS, but I don’t believe its adblocker extends to Safari.

Not being able to set a default browser on iOS tends to make you use Safari more than another browser you have installed since tapping a URL in another app will open Safari, unless that app supports setting a default browser, which not many do and even fewer support opening Brave. It has to be implemented on a per app basis since they’re really just using the x-callback-url scheme. Most tend to only support setting Safari, Chrome, or Firefox.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by OrgNet »

HelloNurse wrote: post #93
OrgNet wrote: post #90

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very few really need more then 1 core...

It could be argued that some "developers" should be restricted to pencil and paper, but it's a different issue. Even hipsters deserve to multitask at their computer.

you can multitask on a 1-core CPU... because the CPUs are much faster then you at switching tasks... that's how it used to be.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by wbond »

vetinari wrote: post #117
wbond wrote: post #110

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Yes, MST absolutely can do 4k at 60hz. This is what the first Dell 32" 4k used. My rMBP has been able to do this since February, 2014. I was trying to get my RX 560 in mid 2018 to do this and it just was not possible via any means with Ubuntu 18.04. I ended up using an Nvidia 1040 with the binary drivers without issue. The nouveau driver for the 1040 was able to do it with a newer kernel than Ubuntu 18.04 had (I was…

My rMBP is not capable of doing that; not with Dell P2715Q. It works without MST, or with lower resolutions.

Which rMBP do you have? I have the late 2013 with the dedicated Nvidia card.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by tracker1 »

nvrspyx wrote: post #155
tracker1 wrote: post #153

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Is there a Brave release for iOS, been pretty happy with it for Android.

Brave browser is on iOS, but I don’t believe its adblocker extends to Safari. Not being able to set a default browser on iOS tends to make you use Safari more than another browser you have installed since tapping a URL in another app will open Safari, unless that app supports setting a default browser, which not many do and even fewer support opening Brave. It has to be implemented on a per app basis since they’re re…

Was just curious... I don't use/own any iDevices, so no personal experience in that space. For Android, it's worked out pretty well for me.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by vetinari »

wbond wrote: post #157
vetinari wrote: post #117

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My rMBP is not capable of doing that; not with Dell P2715Q. It works without MST, or with lower resolutions.

Which rMBP do you have? I have the late 2013 with the dedicated Nvidia card.

13" early 2015, Intel Iris 6100.

To get two 4k@60 outputs, I have to run two cables (it has two TB2 ports). With daisy-chaining, I got mirroring at best (I didn't check refresh rate at the time, though).

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by vbezhenar »

alimbada wrote: post #51
vbezhenar wrote: post #16

Now it's an interesting battle. I want to build new workstation, probably in 2020. I was going to go to Threadripper route, but now I have a choice and that's awesome.

It's only a choice if you're willing to settle for: - a long list of security vulnerabilities which, when fully patched and recommended features (including HyperThreading) are disabled, results in a huge loss in performance(~25% in some reports) - lower power efficiency due to still using 14nm process - platform uncertainty, i.e. will upgrading mean buying a new motherboard?

AFAIK Intel patches many of those security issues in new CPUs, so performance loss won't be as severe. I don't care about power efficiency, as electricity is cheap enough for me and I'm buying computer for many years, so I'm unlikely to benefit from CPU upgrading in 7 years anyway.

Basically for me it's about:

* Security issues. They are real for Intel and performance loss is real.

* Inter-core communication latency. I don't particularly like this chiplet design for AMD, when some cores have a long time to talk to other cores. Intel seems like a safer play here. But I did not research about their HEDT CPUs, may be it's the same for Intel.

* Balance of frequency/cores. While more cores is better, I think that after 12 cores I don't really need more. And single-thread performance is always important.

* Other issues. I don't like that AMD had multiple issues with its Zen CPUs, especially with Linux. Crashes, RNG bug, overall Linux compatibility. I'm feeling like Intel takes Linux compatibility much more seriously and Intel overall seems like a safer bet for stable system.

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