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Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by romwell »

osobo wrote: post #143

Man, such hate in this thread. I, for one, am glad that someone is throwing serious money at consolidating VR experiences into a single world. I love what Rec Room has done there and I would certainly enjoy a new iteration. If it's too invasive or no fun, I'll delete it after trying. For now, I'm glad we're still moving forward in the VR space instead of it going the way of 3DTV.

Look, I'm a 3D enthusiast, and embraced all 3D tech starting from 1800's stereoscopes to the 3D TV and strap-to-your-face attempts of the day.

And I really want to like whatever FB is doing with Oculus, especially given that JC works on it.

But one look at this... "Whatever I'm into", contrary to the claim, is surely not going to be there.

It's a sterile toys-r-us vibe when even Disney gets that a bit less sugar and some grit will go a long way towards suspension of disbelief.

It's the sheer tastelessness (subjective) of this that makes me sad. Candy Crush Saga isn't what I was craving for to fill my entire visual universe.

I'm still glad that we're moving in that direction, but sad that this iteration is not for me.

Guess I'll go watch Zeppelins on my Holmes. It's static 3D, but with more megapixels, and the visuals, even being B&W, are way better.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by taneq »

osobo wrote: post #143

Man, such hate in this thread. I, for one, am glad that someone is throwing serious money at consolidating VR experiences into a single world. I love what Rec Room has done there and I would certainly enjoy a new iteration. If it's too invasive or no fun, I'll delete it after trying. For now, I'm glad we're still moving forward in the VR space instead of it going the way of 3DTV.

Yeah, but what about the second part? The part where it says, "P.S. This is a trap."?

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by BlueTemplar »

dmix wrote: post #150
jquery wrote: post #87

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You don't need expensive hardware to do better than glossy pastels, at least for desktop gaming. I don't know what the requirements are for VR, but even turning modern games down to low/medium settings can still look pretty stunning if you haven't gamed in a while. This reminds me of higher-res Mii's from the Wii, which was dated tech even at the time. That said, the most important thing people should be asking is: i…

What if it's targeted at kids/teens/young people and is lightweight "casual" playing experience? Wouldn't this look be preferred? Sometimes ultra-realism takes the fun nature out of things. Simpsons and South Park could easily use high tech graphics but the simple nature of it all is what makes it appealing . Same with Minecraft or even Zelda. It's also easy to build expansive worlds with breakable objects that don't…

Then we're going to have a problem, as VR is clearly counter-indicated for children because it messes up with eye development...

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by Yoric »

qubex wrote: post #144
honzzz wrote: post #93

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Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

You’re disturbed, I imagine, because it is the beginning of the Neuromancer / Ready Player 1 dystopia.

Frankly, we're starting to live in a very Cyberpunk world these days.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by ptah »

honzzz wrote: post #93
hw wrote: post #45

Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

> you get to talk to people from all around the world

i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by BlueTemplar »

p1esk wrote: post #100
frisco wrote: post #74

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I don't think this is actually true; being close to some deep learning research groups, it's really surprising how powerful GPUs have gotten. Improvements over the last few years have been very nonlinear; it's kind of astonishing. And, internet latency has also gotten very good. I bet it's totally possible to make something like this now, though most people don't realize it yet!

Do you see a lot of games that run well in 4k@120hz? VR is much more demanding. Maybe if you spend $20k on a box with 8 GPUs it will be able to run it. But it’s not just GPUs, you also need much better headsets (much higher refresh rates, 8k+ resolution, wide FOV, very good eye tracking for the foveated rendering, much higher dynamic range). Most importantly, creating all that photorealistic content is a huge effort,…

Gameplay >> Graphics

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by ptah »

anything that makes it easier for corporations to program humans like rats in a labyrinth is inherently a bad idea

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by growlist »

DJHenk wrote: post #113
honzzz wrote: post #93

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Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

> And the disturbing part is that I am not even sure why - on its face value it seems great And that is exactly the reason why it is not the right direction. Think about it. Why would one choose a virtual world over the new one? Because apparently the real world is not good enough. On the surface the virtual looks better, but if you engage in it, I think you will probably find out that it is as boring and hard as the…

> People have lived for centuries without it. In those years there have both been plenty of fulfilled lives and unfulfilled lives. Clearly, the shiny happy virtual world is not a prerequisite for a fulfilled live.

One could say the same about anaesthetic - but I'd still prefer to have the choice! But I won't be rushing to sign up for this. I don't use FB, and think they (& Google for that matter) are a malign force in the world.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by raxxorrax »

osobo wrote: post #143

Man, such hate in this thread. I, for one, am glad that someone is throwing serious money at consolidating VR experiences into a single world. I love what Rec Room has done there and I would certainly enjoy a new iteration. If it's too invasive or no fun, I'll delete it after trying. For now, I'm glad we're still moving forward in the VR space instead of it going the way of 3DTV.

I just wish it wasn't the hardware vendors themselves that supply the software. I think oculus and others have solid devices to a fair price on the market. The capabilities speak for themselves.

But since most people just don't own the hardware, there are many developers that currently still ignore VR. I think the best bet would be for more 3d software to include basic VR support. I would be nice to be able to the controllers, but I would be content with just using classical input methods. That would require you to know the layout of a keyboard, which is probably a big hurdle, but it would still make VR support more common.

That said, I don't think software like this has the correct focus for many enthusiasts. I am not using a device that makes me look like I never want to speak to anybody ever again just to chat up people online. But I am not surprised Facebook went in that direction. Maybe it will have the positive effect of just pulling more people to VR who have a little money on the side to make that investment.

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