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Re: iPadOS

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Post by whynaut »

nvrspyx wrote: post #107
guptaneil wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no difference in closing vs hiding apps in iOS. When the app is hidden, the process is stopped. Yes, you can force kill the process by swiping up on the dock and then swiping away the frozen apps , but you should never do this unless the app is unresponsive. It gets you zero benefit, other than using extra battery next time you launch the app to run its initial setup again. In fact Apple originally got rid o…

> you should never do this unless the app is unresponsive In theory, yes, but not in practice. For example, the chromecast icon sometimes disappears in Hulu, which requires killing the app and reopening to get it back. The stock Mail app used to get stuck in fetching mail and refused to refresh, again requiring you to kill the app. Facebook Messenger's text input sometimes disappears entirely, requiring you to kill t…

> In theory, yes, but not in practice. For example

All of those are examples of unresponsiveness..

Re: iPadOS

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Post by audunw »

privateSFacct wrote: post #83

Everytime I read about greenpeace talking about how Apple's products are so terrible for the environment while saying nothing about android products I roll my eyes. Same thing with the fix it folks saying Apple's products are "unrepairable". There is a great market for both repair and reuse / re-sale in apple products. It's interesting comparing a 4 year old android tablet or phone (which was sometimes a year behind…

While I personally wish Apple would be more supportive of 3rd party or at-home repairs, I think what they've been doing there actually helps with extending the life of their devices.

Let's say you're thinking of buying a used iPhone. If you had reason to believe that used iPhones were mostly repaired by 3rd parties that didn't necessarily know what they're doing, or were using cheap or even dangerous (in the case of batteries) parts. Would you buy used, or would go just buy some cheap new phone? And if people weren't interested in buying, would you bother trying to sell your old phone or would you just throw it away?

Making sure the quality of second-hand market is high is essential to encouraging re-use. I think a lot of those who are criticising Apple when it comes to repair should remember that. It's not that they're wrong in saying that Apple should support 3rd party repair, but their complaints are not gonna come to much unless what they propose is actually reasonable.. i.e. makes it easier for 3rd parties to repair iPhones while maintaining a healthy second-hand market for iPhones. And that's not easy.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by cactus2093 »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #100

Track record for Apple when it comes to iOS/iPadOS updates has been impressive, but once they stop updating their device it becomes more vulnerable than their android counterpart for basic Internet browsing just because Apple doesn't update Safari via AppStore and doesn't allow any other browser engine . Case in point : Google Project Zero's latest iOS Exploit chains on webkit shows how easy it was(*is?) for an iOS u…

Yes, if you want a hackable system that you can root/jailbreak and run any combination of hardware & OS & browser and keep 7+ year old devices running, you're better off on Android. I don't think anybody would disagree with that.

> In any case, I don't think there can be any opposing arguments on the side of security for Apple not updating Safari via AppStore

I don't really follow. It's not about just updating it via the AppStore, it would also require making all future changes to Safari compatible with old hardware and old versions of iOS. They have a pretty impressive track record lately of supporting devices up to 5 or 6 years old, but they can't support everything forever. The security argument for it is that almost nobody is using these devices anymore, so their resources are better spent securing systems that have more users.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by paggle »

dallen33 wrote: post #18

The list of supported devices is impressive. The iPad Air 2 came out in 2014. 12.9-inch iPad Pro 11-inch iPad Pro 10.5-inch iPad Pro 9.7-inch iPad Pro iPad (7th generation) iPad (6th generation) iPad (5th generation) iPad mini (5th generation) iPad mini 4 iPad Air (3rd generation) iPad Air 2

That's why Apple devices are much cheaper than Android devices. They're secure and usable for far longer, as long as you don't break them, so the amortized monthly cost is far less.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by kodablah »

> QuickPath typing - Type by swiping from one letter to the next.

Are there plans for this to be added for phone keyboards too? As one that appreciates it on Android, I imagine it'd be welcomed by many.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by wayneftw »

cujo wrote: post #45
wayneftw wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want a extremely limited computer, one that you hardly have any control over, as your development machine. Do you really want Apple making all of your decisions for you? I won’t even use macOS due to the limitations that don’t exist anywhere else, but mostly because I think Apple makes bad decisions and then does not give me any options to change the behavior. They are such a “one size fits all” company th…

I'll bite. What were the limitations?

You can’t think of any limitations that macOS has, that others don’t?

Not even the really, really big obvious (and recursive) one?

Re: iPadOS

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Post by xienze »

ogre_codes wrote: post #12
finkin1 wrote: post #5

I wonder why they aren't advertising mouse support. This seems like one of the most useful features to me. They didn't mention it on the keynote and I can't find it on their website anywhere. Any thoughts on why Apple wouldn't be pushing this as a major advancement for iPad?

Because it's not very good mouse support. It's basically a simulated finger. If they started advertising this, people would rightly criticize it for being mediocre. For the moment anyhow, the iPad is a touch device with an optional virtual finger you can plug into it.

> Because it's not very good mouse support. It's basically a simulated finger.

All I want for them to do is allow third party applications to support real mice in the way that you'd expect a real mouse to behave. The killer app would be remote desktop. I understand that there's literally one model of mouse that works with one specific remote desktop app, but I don't want that, I want to use my own mouse.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by Jyaif »

saagarjha wrote: post #124
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #100

Track record for Apple when it comes to iOS/iPadOS updates has been impressive, but once they stop updating their device it becomes more vulnerable than their android counterpart for basic Internet browsing just because Apple doesn't update Safari via AppStore and doesn't allow any other browser engine . Case in point : Google Project Zero's latest iOS Exploit chains on webkit shows how easy it was(*is?) for an iOS u…

> In any case, I don't think there can be any opposing arguments on the side of security for Apple not updating Safari via AppStore or now allowing proper 3rd party browsers. Third party browsers entitled with dynamic codesigning poke a huge hole in Apple's security model for iOS devices.

Can you explain why allowing apps to ship with a JIT compiler be a security issue?

Re: iPadOS

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Post by FPGAhacker »

kodablah wrote: post #155

> QuickPath typing - Type by swiping from one letter to the next. Are there plans for this to be added for phone keyboards too? As one that appreciates it on Android, I imagine it'd be welcomed by many.

Yes, it’s on the phones too with iOS 13.

I previously used the swype 3rd party keyboard, and I’m not really a fan. It’s ok I guess.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by layoutIfNeeded »

prashnts wrote: post #6
ben7799 wrote: post #3

Wow.. you can finally plug in a USB drive/card reader/camera/whatever... That alone actually takes the iPad a long way towards actually being real/Pro/whatever. I sold my first Gen iPad Pro over this stuff. It was just to painful to do a lot of real world stuff that involved files. Maybe today the experience would be a heck of a lot better.

Adding to the whatever list, you can also use USB Optical drives with a powered hub (just tried yesterday). It appears in Files app. Seems like they’ve finally implemented proper usb stack.

I’m pretty sure the USB stack was there all along, they just kept it to themselves. Just like how the iPhone baseband chip would be capable of receiving FM radio, they just don’t want to enable it.
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