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Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC there isn't a problem for most of the flight; but right as you're ascending/descending your phone can end up getting a very weak line-of-sight connection to a whole bunch of cell towers at once, which causes a few different problems, but all of which come down to "it makes both your phone, and all the towers, shout really loudly at one-another to try to achieve a circuit." Which, sure, means that there might be…

Thanks for this clear explanation of why this rule exists. Never understood it until now.

I would take his explanation with a hefty grain of salt...

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Yeah, how dare they, you barely got out of there with your life...

Seriously, the melodrama people treat their privacy with is frequently astounding.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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This is a pretty open secret within the industry. Geographic data can be provided via setup (a lot of TV's ask for a zip code on setup) or usually simply via GeoIP lookup. Dig a bit deeper and you get into service provided by Samba TV and or Inscape and you can find that they're sending back frames of video in a lot of cases to track what you're watching. This data is becoming a huge mechanism for subsidizing TV sale…

Roku enabled TVs very clearly send back frames of what you are watching. I've been watching YouTube casted via chromecast plugged into HDMI (NOT the built in chromecast, I have verified multiple times) and the Roku will give me a full width toast saying to press `*` to watch the full movie or some similar contextual option I was pretty put off the first time this happened. That said, I don't even know if I looked thr…

It's probably using fingerprinting rather than uploading the whole frame.

And I would guess it's only audio fingerprinting, rather than full video.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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It is not clear why we should necessarily be suspicious of smart TVs based on the findings here.

The lines seem to be blurred between what data is being sent by the TV OS itself versus a third party app that someone may have decided to use during the period that the researchers watched outbound network connections.

If someone is using the Netflix app, this necessitates that the TV must communicate with Netflix. How else would it work? Similarly, if you use the YouTube app, you would definitely get some requests to Google. Surely some developers of smart TV apps have decided to use Mixpanel or Adobe for analytics.

The "sensitive user data" alluded to in the headline is later admitted to be, at a minimum, "information about the device people are using, their locations, and possibly even when they are interacting with it".

Let's unpack that. It's pretty common for every web browser to send a user agent. Why shouldn't apps for a TV send device info to the app maker? Location can be inferred via IP, like any network request (nothing special here). And with any request, you of course know the time it was made (and could infer the interaction that produced it, like opening the app).

So they've told us nothing to support the headline. Indeed, the original paper from Northeastern notes that they did not try to inspect the data or MITM encrypted connections, so all we know is that requests are being made to these services during the course of operating the device and its apps. Not that the device manufacturer itself is sending your data, unprompted, to these third parties. So, the headline does not match the story.

Seems like university PR office must have gone a little crazy with this one. Why is nobody on HN questioning such a sensationalist, substanceless article?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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post #136

Get yourself a Pi-hole. Block all phone home attempts. https://pi-hole.net/

It can't possibly block all phone home attempts. How would the Netflix or YouTube apps work on those devices if network traffic to those respective third-parties were blocked?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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I disabled WiFi on my Samsung TV after they were injecting ads into the home screen. Spend $800 to get ads served in their shitty/slow UI.

An acquaintance attempted that with Kindle, by keeping it in flight mode. After some days it popped up a message kindly asking to give it some network access. After a few more days it simply ignored the flight mode and connected to get fresh ads. Edit: I've checked with my wife who has an ad supported Kindle for over a year and keeps it in flight mode for months at a time. It never did that to her. So either Amazon c…

You can also ask Amazon support to turn off those ads, that's what I did and don't have to deal with ads on my Kindles screen anymore.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Yeah, how dare they, you barely got out of there with your life... Seriously, the melodrama people treat their privacy with is frequently astounding.

I don't understand your criticism. If the TV were given close to free and then subsidized by ads, sure. But I'm paying >$500 for the TV, why should I get ads too?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for this clear explanation of why this rule exists. Never understood it until now.

I would take his explanation with a hefty grain of salt...

Indeed, the reality is that people will leave their phones on intentionally or unintentionally so engineering within aerospace has to, and does, take this into consideration. There's reasons the rule exists, but it doesn't put you at increased risk.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight mode exists because the FAA applies unsafe-until-proven-safe methodology to everything flight related (as they should). If flight mode mattered at all planes would be falling out of the sky on the regular, many people just leave their phones on the whole trip. The only reason I turn my phone off is because it wastes a lot of battery as it tries to manage tower hopping the whole time. Planes are getting blasted…

IIRC there isn't a problem for most of the flight; but right as you're ascending/descending your phone can end up getting a very weak line-of-sight connection to a whole bunch of cell towers at once, which causes a few different problems, but all of which come down to "it makes both your phone, and all the towers, shout really loudly at one-another to try to achieve a circuit." Which, sure, means that there might be…

I have never seen the claim that cell service providers played an active role in this. Do you have a source for this info? I am curious to learn more.
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