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Re: TextMate 2.0

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post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Also interesting the decline of Emacs and the stability of vim: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Re: TextMate 2.0

#152
post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

I think the relevance of these graphs is quite limited by Google's UI (which doesn't allow for wildcarding nor combining results)

See for example: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Re: TextMate 2.0

#153
post #54

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Indeed, but not the whole story ;) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

switching those from "search terms" to "topics" tells a different story https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%... (and if you keep it to search terms but swap "visual studio code" for "vscode" you see a simialar rise)

The topics aren't perfect either, unfortunately. For example, Sublime Text, as we know it, was first released in 2008 while the topic trends data you linked shows it being the leader in 2004.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#154
post #126

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Don’t forget emacs of course: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%... Looks like Emas used to rule the roost but then died away. What really piques my interest is why those of us in Wyoming (and the Dakota’s and Alaska) and apparently love Vim: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22textmate%22,%2...

Emacs takes a fair bit of commitment in time and practice to use it well. In these days of 40 hour work weeks, and life long beginner stage programmers. You won't be seeing its usage grow. I'd even go to an extent and say vim trends show supply of intermediate level programmers. Emacs trends show supply of expert programmers. The fact that those trends are in a downward direction tells a story in itself.

Absolute numbers could be up, even if relative share is down. Intel reported growth in fortran compiler sales, but python does grow more, so relative numbers are what you expect.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#155
post #147

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I'll adopt whatever definition you want "native" to mean for the discussion - and under your definition of native, I would say it's pretty clear that users of text editors and developer tools don't care much at all about "native"(your definition of using the platform provided widgets). Just look at the market share of developer tools and IDEs/editors that don't use stock platform widgets. They are the ones that have…

FWIW personally with "native" i mean "native widgets too, where possible". It isn't always possible and i'm ok with that, but if your application uses a text edit area, a treebox for project files, a menu bar, a bunch of tabs and perhaps a toolbar (the "standard" IDE layout -AFAIK- introduced by MSVC4 back in the 90s and replicated by pretty much every IDE and most "programming" text editors since then) then every ma…

Under that definition of "native", it's pretty clear developers don't care very much about having "native" text editors/IDEs, wouldn't you agree? You can look at editor usage to see how they are voting.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#156
post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

I hope sublime doesn't die off (or fade into obscurity)

At least VS Code and TextMate are free and open-source software. Sublime is basically dead and there's no chance of a fork.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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I feel at least slightly responsible, as I imagine many people from the TextMate community circa 2006–2010 do. I think the decline of TextMate was mostly a community problem rather than a technical problem, and it’s a bit hard to untangle exactly what happened. Allan had been making very fast progress on TextMate for the first several years, and the community was full of excited “early adopter” types, who were very c…

Textmate for me is the best example of "second system effect". Allan decided to rewrite everything , which killed the community. (I also don't think SublimeText "just ripped off" TextMate and didn't add anything new. They added Windows and Linux support, for one.)

The thing that caught my attention and I found useful enough to really give SublimeText a chance was the mini-map. I see that in a lot of places now, but as far as I can recall, the first place I saw it was ST.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#158
post #147

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FWIW personally with "native" i mean "native widgets too, where possible". It isn't always possible and i'm ok with that, but if your application uses a text edit area, a treebox for project files, a menu bar, a bunch of tabs and perhaps a toolbar (the "standard" IDE layout -AFAIK- introduced by MSVC4 back in the 90s and replicated by pretty much every IDE and most "programming" text editors since then) then every ma…

Under that definition of "native", it's pretty clear developers don't care very much about having "native" text editors/IDEs, wouldn't you agree? You can look at editor usage to see how they are voting.

Yeah most developers probably do not care, but it isn't like nobody cares (for example i do and i read comments like mine on HN often, so there are others who do too). At least when it comes to text editors there are options and you can use whatever you want regardless of what a complacent majority votes for :-P.

Though i also believe that the functionality some people want from their applications is only available on (what i see as) applications with inferior UIs and they'd rather get used to these UIs than not have the functionality - that is, their vote is for the functionality, not for the UI.

Re: TextMate 2.0

#159
post #3

Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Re: TextMate 2.0

#160
post #69

You'll have a hard time prying Webstorm out of my hands... I was a die hard editor purist (Sublime) for a while but after using an IDE for Java I realized how powerful they can be - even for frontend.

Can you give a reason or two why? Specifically for frontend. I want to go into trying IntelliJ with some good reasons
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