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Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by kzrdude » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

oehtXRwMkIs wrote: post #142

calcifer wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've been knowingly and willingly violating the GDPR That's quite the inflamatory statement to throw out there without at least providing a source or two.

I'm guessing they are talking about this issue which has been open for a disturbingly long time: https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955

It seems to be grinding through to a conclusion. Google analytics has already been removed (2018).

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by joepie91_ » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:28 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #149

perlgeek wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it's just for a PoC with a 1/5th chance of being actually selected in the end?

What does PoC mean in this context?

Proof of Concept.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by joepie91_ » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:30 PM UTC

mr_vile wrote: post #32

I think there are three problems here: first is that the new generation of developers that Mozilla is trying to attract are not used to systems which do not persistently store data in an API-accessible database backend. Second that there is a perception of plain text as an antiquated medium of communication (and yet we persistently reinvent markdown as a way of simplifying rich text). Third and most importantly, the…

Huh? Matrix isn't a centralised model at all, quite the contrary. If anything, it's less centralised than IRC.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by EamonnMR » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

techntoke wrote: post #68

EamonnMR wrote: post #34

Really excited to see Discord rejected. Watching Discord take over open source and free culture communities has been disheartening to say the least.

You must really dislike GitHub then.

I can more or less easily get my data out of github (I can host a repo elsewhere, write a script to scrape the issues, etc.) I don't like using the non-git parts of it for much (ie why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files?) Discord is a whole other level of walled garden. It's a black hole of information, and that information isn't owned by you. Discoverability is nonexistent.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by thom » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:34 PM UTC

Clicked on this thinking Mozilla were backing a new, more secure and usable version of a protocol _like_ IRC, and disappointed with the reality.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by oehtXRwMkIs » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:36 PM UTC

thom wrote: post #155

Clicked on this thinking Mozilla were backing a new, more secure and usable version of a protocol _like_ IRC, and disappointed with the reality.

They can make it a reality by backing the Matrix.org protocol, or even Ruma, the Rust implementation.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by packetlost » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:38 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #149

perlgeek wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it's just for a PoC with a 1/5th chance of being actually selected in the end?

What does PoC mean in this context?

I'm going to guess 'Proof of Concept'

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by icedchai » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:43 PM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #31

icedchai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Late 90’s? More like late 80’s. I think my first IRC session was in 1991.

I’m making allowance for the way the protocol evolved a bit

Understood. I do prefer the simplicity of the IRC protocol... especially compared to say a monstrosity like XMPP / Jabber.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by 693471 » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

dngray wrote: post #89

esotericn wrote: post #26

I have full faith that, if I had left a computer running, in the corner of my home, with an IRC client open, it would have been able to maintain a connection to Freenode (not continuously, but just work) for fifteen or more years. Personally I don't think IRC will ever be replaced. Well, it will, but it'll happen when my generation dies and gets fully replaced with the New Shiny. I _hope_ that some sort of real, prop…

I am hoping they go with Matrix, least then I will be able to have the choice of having a client appropriate to my needs. I do prefer my chat client to not be a part of my browser. That way I can close my browser, start my browser and chat client on login ie from i3/sway etc. A tab in a browser runs the risk of getting closed. I love using weechat (weechat.org) and have used it for decades. The Matrix plugin for Weec…

You really don't want Matrix. One year of Matrix to IRC bridge cost me about 30GB in Postgresql database to hold the state/logs of everything.

It was less than 500MB of plaintext irssi logs.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Post by thom » Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:50 PM UTC

oehtXRwMkIs wrote: post #156

thom wrote: post #155

Clicked on this thinking Mozilla were backing a new, more secure and usable version of a protocol _like_ IRC, and disappointed with the reality.

They can make it a reality by backing the Matrix.org protocol, or even Ruma, the Rust implementation.

Interesting. Any good resources on Matrix? How has adoption been going until now?