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Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by em-bee »

hedora wrote: post #147
batoure wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the things I have started to feel as I read their recent design posts is that the phone will ship but be described as in a basic dev state and not ready for consumer use. I have written and seen written several posts on twitter at purism that have consistently been replied to as recently as last week saying that pre-orders are still on track to ship before end of Q3. It makes me feel like the hardware is ready…

The same thing happened with Openmoko. Neither company focused on a single UI stack, and (last I checked with purism) instead shipped 3+ semi-working UI demos (gtk, qt and enlightenment). If they focused on one stack, they’d be much more likely to ship solid product, which would lead to revenue. That would give them runway to build support for a bigger ecosystem.

i can't agree enough. i got an openmoko second hand after a friend who got it gave up on it because he couldn't use the device for actual phonecalls and messaging. he was very frustrated and disappointed. i managed, after trying a few stacks to find one that mostly worked (it was the qt one).

i am now using /e/ which tries to add more privacy to lineageOS, and they manage to produce a much more polished experience than raw lineageOS.

it makes a huge difference. things that i was struggling with on lineageOS, like searching addresses and getting directions suddenly work out of the box and if anyone asks for recommendations for a privacy oriented phone i'd point them to the models that e.foundation sells with /e/ preinstalled.

i do hope that someday i'll be able to recommend a purism model too.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by lostgame »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #98
lostgame wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I learned this, to my amazement, in Freemasonry. I got a giggle, since it's inverse is the symbol of Baphomet, and all that.

Most of Freemasonry's really useful secrets got revealed during the enlightenment, I suspect.

No, most of Freemaonsry's really useful secrets come from an extreme measure of self discipline, and through the correspondence courses you work through with your Sponsor.

The Rituals of Freemasonry are something millions of people are shoved through, in the interest of what we call 'knife and fork Masonry' - this is the typical image of usually the largest Lodge in your City or Town, where businessmen congregate to drink beer and make connections.

There are few who take Freemasonry seriously for its rituals, and even fewer who choose to make it past the Blue Lodge (3°), and move on to the Scottish or York rites, which can go all the way up to 33°.

The 33rs Degree is basically an honour. There are very, very few of them. When someone tells me they had a friend of a friend who was a 33rd Degree Freemason I just smile and nod.

Freemasonry is about making 'good people better'. How much you get out of it is entirely dependant on how much you put into it.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by schaefer »

lostgame wrote: post #79
schaefer wrote: post #38

The pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks... being aware of social sensitivities is a big part of being successful for projects that aim for broad adoption.

What? A regular, upright pentagram? And also, you know some of us are actually practicing Ritual or Ceremonial Magick, and this is actually a sacred symbol for us? I'd understand if it was upside down, which is part of the laughable LaVeyan Satanic cult, but I assure you there are likely people you know who may be members of very serious Magical Orders. I will not mention my specific associations with any of these Or…

I studied and practiced Wicca for years before settling into Buddhism. I've personally got no quams about the presence of this symbol.

but I also have lots of family and friends in rural, conservative, christian USA. I assure you, upside down or right side up... If I tried to show them this video, they would flip out. There would be no talk about privacy or cell phones. All discussion would be hyper focused on the presence of this symbol.

Yes, the would equally flip out if the symbol had been a Star and Cresent (Islam), or Swastica (Hinduism, Buddhism, et. all).

I know this debate isn't new (safe spaces, trigger warnings, etc.) but the only point I'm trying to make is that some people will always find the choice to include any religious symbolism in a technical talk divisive. (which sometimes is fine if we are aware and choose deliberately...)

-- Hopefully I'm allowed brief tangent back on topic - just in case anyone associated with the project/talk notices this post (and grandparent post): I'm super excited about this phone, and as soon as there's concrete data about comparability for US carriers, I would love to purchase one.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by balaksakrionon »

bjornsteffanson wrote: post #68
balaksakrionon wrote: post #32

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i suppose not, so how does it work?

You buy a SIM card from a wireless provider, register your service, and you're connected to that provider's network. Depending on which country you live in, you may be asked to provide evidence of your identity to varying degrees. For example, to set up my service in Australia, I bought a SIM card in a little packet at a corner store for A$40. The SIM card was from a specific wireless provider (Telstra, in this insta…

thanks for the detailed reply

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by RandomBacon »

CalRobert wrote: post #12
RandomBacon wrote: post #2

Their mirrors are forcing my mobile browser to open the video file instead of downloading it. That's not very helpful. I'm surprised they didn't offer a torrent for the video, that would actually help me (and help them on costs/mirroring). EDIT: Another user provided the solution: press-and-hold/long-tap the video in the new tab to get an option to download.

wget https://mirror.eu.oneandone.net/projects/media.ccc.de//event... should do the trick

Once I get the Librem 5, I hope to be able to do just that!

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by jancsika »

schaefer wrote: post #153
lostgame wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? A regular, upright pentagram? And also, you know some of us are actually practicing Ritual or Ceremonial Magick, and this is actually a sacred symbol for us? I'd understand if it was upside down, which is part of the laughable LaVeyan Satanic cult, but I assure you there are likely people you know who may be members of very serious Magical Orders. I will not mention my specific associations with any of these Or…

I studied and practiced Wicca for years before settling into Buddhism. I've personally got no quams about the presence of this symbol. but I also have lots of family and friends in rural, conservative, christian USA. I assure you, upside down or right side up... If I tried to show them this video, they would flip out. There would be no talk about privacy or cell phones. All discussion would be hyper focused on the pr…

> If I tried to show them this video, they would flip out.

Flip out because the Wiccan CTO is using a pentagram, or because the CTO is Wiccan?

I certainly understand the desire to separate religious iconography from technical slides, but I don't think your example has much to do with that.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by m463 »

balaksakrionon wrote: post #29

so how do you get a phone number for this phone, do you just buy service / sim card from a regular carrier and then plop it in or what?

I was being downvoted for my comment:

- the modem is for data and not for voice

- they use matrix for calls

however:

"The Librem 5 will be the first ever Matrix-powered smartphone, natively using end-to-end encrypted decentralised communication in its dialer and messaging app."

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by gregknicholson »

Freak_NL wrote: post #141
wolfgke wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is fine, but it doesn't answer the question how Librem is purportedly solving that problem. By not supporting WhatsApp, it forces the user to solve the problem that he/she makes a very bad decision with respect to his/her privacy.

I fully support that approach, but this effectively means accepting that the majority uses a tool you cannot or will not use. Librem is never going to be in a position with sufficient market share to counter the network effect of WhatsApp in countries that are hooked on it. Hence my question in response to gregknicholson's statement: >> This is one of the problems the Librem 5 is designed to solve. > How?

By providing a coherent set of easy-to-use, privacy-respecting alternatives.

It makes it easier for those who _want_ to switch, but don't have the confidence/skill/energy to figure everything out on their own.

Similarly, Disroot made it easy to switch away from Google, by providing a complete (for my purposes) drop-in replacement; Ubuntu made it easy to switch from Windows.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by infectedbyNSA »

Tepix wrote: post #112
0xdeadb00f wrote: post #96

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What would realistically be the point of that? Doest that defeat the purpose of "locking" a bootloader, if it can be unlocked with a hardware switch?

It could protect you against a rootkit.

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