Conclusion: Chinese is absolutely the best language-family to make cryptic, gnomic, multi-layered allusions and sound like you've lived 100,000 years up a mountain eating nothing but fresh mountain air and magical peaches.
Obviously very unsophisticated compared to Chinese, but here is a similar vehicle by Kubernator Schwarzenegger to the CA State assembly: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_336319
Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
>In this a City with the 0.539 Gini coefficient, why people hate the government on the other side than rich oligarchs? capital owns media. This has perplexed me to no end. The straw that broke the camel's back was an extradition treaty being proposed, and not the crushing living conditions that have been worsening over the past two decades. Sounds like you are a native. curious why you think this is the case outside…
Yes, I'm from China mainland. Just like some western opinion that why Chinese people don't fight their government for democracy and free speech, I really can not understand why HK people don't fight oligarchs for goods prices and living house. Every few years, some protests happen in Hong Kong, None of those protests is aiming to the oligarchs, some people do hate Li, but the most far they can do is ridiculing and co…
In some HKer's perspective, they detest how the current administration had been in bed with the oligarchs. In their view, gaining universal suffrage (not only 1 person one vote, but a free nomination) would help with that situation.
This problem is not new - it's an old problem that existed in the colonial state. The definition of a colony is to extract wealth for their masters, so colonial administrations and oligarchs work hand in hand.
Even if one could separate that fight between the administration and the oligarch, there are other structural issues for the administration. HK administration, colonial or SAR, is highly dependent on land leases as its source of income. In it's pursuit of being the "most capitalist city", the tax base is very narrow - income tax is very low, no sales tax, etc... So it is not in HK administration's interest to lower housing prices because that would affect its own budget.
And if one were to temporarily cast aside their own views, and look at the incentive a little, there are other political problems - pro-democrats typically controls the legislature (spare this case of disqualifying a few), but they have no hope of becoming part of the executive council, where the Chief Exec heads, and Beijing has control of the nomination. So there's not a lot of incentive to work well together between the legislature and the executive.
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Minor point: not everyone is American. Some countries are democratic without the need to bear arms.
You're absolutely right. Until that one day comes that you might need to bear arms. Or bear arms, that could be cool too /s
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Really illustrates the importance of our own second amendment.
Not really, say Texas wanted to declare independence. How long would a Texan militia last against the US military? Modern empires can't be resisted period. It's just a question of whether you want to destroy yourself to keep them from ruling you. In that case they still can't be resisted but at least you deny them their victory. You either belong to one empire or another. The only way for Hong Kong to resist would ha…
Depends, are there any nuclear or biological assets deployed in Texas?
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really. Civil disobedience is the only historically effective way to defeat a modern state. With open warfare, the historical playbook for putting down this sort of thing is clear. Roll in the tanks, and infantry from Mongolia or whatever. Sometimes the revolt get put down immediately, sometimes you end up with guerrilla warfare.
> the only historically effective ... modern state What a contorted argument. I assume that the British empire wasn’t a modern state, and that history is less than one century long (and full of holes).
Using your example of the British Empire, India didn't win independence through combat, civil disobedience made it politically untenable for the British to continue. That had far-ranging effects on what was left of the colonies.
One of the arguments core to an advocate of the 2nd amendment with respect to this issue is that a citizen militia, equipped with small arms, would be capable of deterring a government from taking some action. It's an increasingly absurd position.
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That's like getting annoyed when people refer to 9/11.
What happened on the 9th November? As the song goes: "Remember remember the fith of November", but I don't remember the 9th. ...supposedly universal cultural references are hard :-)
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#158"From born to die, you will always buy Li Ka-Shing's goods" "If there's God in HongKong, his last name must be Li" He and other oligarchs raise prices and exploit profits from people. HK Gov tried several times to press down house prices (build public rental apartments provided by gov, called 新界东北发展计划 ), all failed. What's the funniest part is, HK GOV plan to dismantle the golf courses for building public apartments,…
>In this a City with the 0.539 Gini coefficient, why people hate the government on the other side than rich oligarchs? capital owns media. This has perplexed me to no end. The straw that broke the camel's back was an extradition treaty being proposed, and not the crushing living conditions that have been worsening over the past two decades. Sounds like you are a native. curious why you think this is the case outside…
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#159In 2011 he already made comments in support of universal suffrage in Hongkong. Despite what is said in the media I don't think that this is 'brave' to state this opinion. The key is how to say it and how to behave with respect to China and the government.
> The key is how to say it and how to behave with respect to China and the government. Can you elaborate why it matters to be respectful to a dictator for life who puts huge numbers of Uighurs in concentration camps?
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really, say Texas wanted to declare independence. How long would a Texan militia last against the US military? Modern empires can't be resisted period. It's just a question of whether you want to destroy yourself to keep them from ruling you. In that case they still can't be resisted but at least you deny them their victory. You either belong to one empire or another. The only way for Hong Kong to resist would ha…
How long would a Texan militia last against the US military? Depends, are there any nuclear or biological assets deployed in Texas?