Hong Kong Airport shuts down as protesters take over

Post by ksec » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:20 PM UTC

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From the very first paragraph of your link > Under the principle, each of the two regions could continue to have its own governmental system, legal, economic and financial affairs, including trade relations with foreign countries. Yet they're trying to pass a law that essentially allow China to extradite people in HK to mainland China, for any reason mainland China makes up. That is not 1 country, 2 systems as the le…

This is not a factual description of the bill. The extradition bill would allow mainland China (and Macau and Taiwan) to request HK authorities that some accused of having committed a crime there to be extradited. The request would then be examined by HK courts as is the case in extradition cases. I understand that HK people don't trust mainland courts and perhaps also that they don't fully trust their own, but this…

Post by kart23 » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:48 PM UTC

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As an American who has lived in Hong Kong for many years, I can comfortably say that if every Hong Kong citizen were armed with an AR-15 and 1,000 rounds of ammo they still wouldn't be able to hold off the PLA for any meaningful length of time. An armed populace is not now nor will it ever again be the answer to this or any other geopolitical debate involving an advanced, militarily powerful national adversary.

A small segment of well-armed and determined citizens can still win a war of attrition against any foe. See Afghanistan.

Post by throwaway2048 » Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 9:37 PM UTC

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You’re implying that the people should just lay down and take it? They are risking their lives for their principles and they are doing it the right way.

A pragmatist would lay down and take it, while preparing to emigrate out of HK as soon as possible.

Post by apta » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 3:04 AM UTC

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> everyone has inherent rights and no one is above the law I don't see how these are "democratic values". They're extremely important things to have obviously, but they're orthogonal to whether the system is democratic or not.

How many non-democratic systems have you seen, which upheld this and the other principles GP referred to?

Post by xhruso00 » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:28 AM UTC

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Agreed. I don't think that HK have an actual plan here. They just protest for the sake of protesting. China will never step down and if anything HK makes it really really easy for China to claim more control now over HK because HK proves itself to be not in control of its citizen. China is the most important market in the world, no other country will intervene with China, especially not given that the largest country…

You realise that you don't see dissent in China because dissent is a death sentence there?