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Re: Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox American policing can’t solve

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Post by celticmusic » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 3:39 PM UTC

DuskStar wrote: post #118

jakelazaroff wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Adverse impact, problematic enough, does not imply something was made with racist intent. It shows that the intent continues to be racist. This disparity is ongoing, not historical; if it's truly not racist, why not bring the amount of possession charges in line with usage?

> It shows that the intent continues to be racist. It shows the impact , not the intent, continues to be racist. It doesn't really say anything about intent, at least without a lot more data. If white and black usage differ in kind somehow - say, pot brownies vs smoking on the street (I have no idea if there is a racial disparity here) - it could lead to a difference in police involvement without any racial discrimin…

indeed, and as another poster pointed out, it could also be because police monitor high crime areas more strictly, and so the arrests related to marijuana tends to reflect that fact.

Re: Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox American policing can’t solve

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #115

jadell wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attractive nuisance is a tort, not a crime. No one gets arrested for it, they get sued if someone gets injured. Speeding is arguably not victimless. Someone pointed out the "shooting into a crowd without hitting anyone" analogy, which is apt. You're engaging in immediately threatening and dangerous behavior. Public intoxication is also not victimless; that's the "disorderly" part of "drunk and disorderly" (whether it…

"Shooting into a crowd" is an intentionally reductionist comparison meant to remove nuance so the reader reaches a specific conclusion. The fact of the matter is that we (we = society) do not condone any level of shooting into a crowd whereas we find certain situation specific levels of drunkenness and speeding perfectly fine. Speeding, public intoxication, etc. in the typical cases don't have victims because we as a…

It was meant to make clear the 'increased risk to the public' issue, which was apparently received loud and clear.

I think you made all the rest up. "We as a society" I read as very subjective. I for instance don't regard risky public behavior as victimless. Am I not part of your society?

Re: Victims are often criminals, and that is a paradox American policing can’t solve

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Post by celticmusic » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 5:33 PM UTC

dictum wrote: post #119

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So sickle cell anemia is racist? You can't tell the intent of something by the impact alone.

Sickle cell anemia wasn't imposed via law.

are you arguing that it cannot be racist unless it's law? So if I start throwing around racial epithets it's not racist because it's not law?