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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Thanks for your continued transparency dude.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Can someone tell me what a Lambda school is? From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company.

> From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company. It is not a class of school, it is indeed a company. A scam/cult masquerading as a startup. It's hyped, it's batshit insane. A thread from yesterday https://twitter.com/KeziyahL/status/1155154616281178114 but of course there is more. To me, it was obvious there is something wrong b…

> > "You can choose to pay $20k upfront for Lambda tuition ... You'll never pay more than $30k ..."

> Wait, you are charging 50% interest? Possibly over two years?

that's not how interest works. on a variety of levels. for starters, "50% over two years" would be 22% annualized, which is the only way anyone talks about interest. admittedly, that would be a high interest rate.

except it isn't interest. what you pay is a function of how much you earn. try borrowing money from the bank for 6%, and see if they'll let you just stop paying if you don't make any money.

> I started a (very small, very unprofitable) school in a far away country and also happen to have a teacher's degree

what were you teaching that didn't require simple arithmetic, or reading comprehension?

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

#153

It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Yeah, I also wouldn't want my kids to grow up in a world where someone could exchange knowledge for money without a license, but this is ridiculous.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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post #141

Can someone tell me what a Lambda school is? From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company.

It's a scammy, for-profit, private school that charges $30k+ for online classes. Edit: 20k up front, versus 30k if taken out of your salary over 2 years. That's around 20% interest. They mention that payments are 17% of your income, but this is calculated pre-tax and paid after taxes.

That seems exceptionally unfair. They’re very up front about what they charge, how they charge it, and whether or not you even pay anything at all. I got a lot out of my overall college experience and so I probably wouldn’t opt for it, but if one of my kids was only interested in software development, I would suggest they attend Lambda School with no reservations whatsoever.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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post #141

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It's a scammy, for-profit, private school that charges $30k+ for online classes. Edit: 20k up front, versus 30k if taken out of your salary over 2 years. That's around 20% interest. They mention that payments are 17% of your income, but this is calculated pre-tax and paid after taxes.

That seems exceptionally unfair. They’re very up front about what they charge, how they charge it, and whether or not you even pay anything at all. I got a lot out of my overall college experience and so I probably wouldn’t opt for it, but if one of my kids was only interested in software development, I would suggest they attend Lambda School with no reservations whatsoever.

People who don't like the idea of capitalism in general tend to not be huge fans of Lambda School.

But we only get paid $30k in the case where you get a software engineering job after Lambda School that pays $85k+. Everyone else pays less, and absolutely no one pays more than $30k.

Our upfront tuition for the nine-month, full-time course is $20k if paid upfront.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Or, it serves as an appropriate barrier to prevent people from scamming prospective students out of huge sums of money.

Looking at student loan debt it appears that it was unsuccessful

Right but it'd be worse if you had the student loan debt AND don't get a degree (or at least a reputable one) because it's a scam.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

I used to work in compliance and the number of regulations that are punitive punishments for bad things that actually happened is just astounding.

SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some banks decided to destroy the global economy just to make a bit of money and couldn't understand why this was a bad thing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

Nah, blame the regulators too for thinking that filling out paperwork is likely to meaningfully dissuade someone from using human remains to make dog food. It was probably sufficient to explain to that one guy why that was bad.

>It was probably sufficient to explain to that one guy why that was bad.

Greed doesn't listen to reason.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

As someone who does a lot of work for state-level regulatory compliance for a winery, let me assure you that the proportion of effort devoted to establishing that we sell a safe product is exactly 0%. It's all about making sure we pay excise taxes and our labels don't violate some modern-day censor's notions of good taste.
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