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Post by dmix »

pvg wrote: post #149
dmix wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact you're conflating sexual harrassment (which is illegal almost everywhere) with an incredibly politicized concept as "equal compensation" (which even within one's own family there are wide disparities in outcomes, as even siblings from the same house can have widely different career outcomes, let alone in society) says everything... I also don’t like being told I support sexual harassment because I don’t thin…

incredibly politicized concept as "equal compensation" (which doesn't exist [...] Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_pay_for_equal_work

Way to chop off my sentence at the perfect point for you to counter it, while ignoring the rest of the context it was said. I’ve edited it now so it won’t be.

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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Post by jbigelow76 »

cobookman wrote: post #42
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #13

I thought this story had already been reported a month ago. But no, I was wrong, that was the other organizer of the Google Protests, Claire Stapleton: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/07/google-wa... So to clarify, both of the female Google employees who lead/organized the protests have now left because they say they faced retaliation. That looks very bad for Google.

How does this look bad for Google? Honest question.

It looks bad in so much as there will be angry tweets for a while and maybe some Medium articles written. But it's not bad in the sense that it won't blow over, anything will change, or there will be any real punishment of anybody at Google over it.

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Post by KUcxrAVrtI »

damnyou wrote: post #56
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #45

>Whittaker also publicly denounced some Google decisions, including the appointment of Kay Coles James, a conservative think tank leader, to an AI ethics board. Google soon nixed the board. I wonder how much that contributed. No matter the personal political leanings of the employees, most companies try to stay on the good side of both sides of the political aisle. When the president of Heritage Foundation (which is…

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Well at least you're being downvoted.

Where do you draw the line at bigotry and perversion?

Homosexuality, transexuals, polyamory, eating meat, necrophilia, cannibalism, bestiality, pedophilia?

There's people who non-ironically believe that each of the above is no worse than any of the others and should be treated as such. Unless you take a live and let live approach that I have never met anyone in real life admit to you will want at least some of those criminalized.

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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Post by lm28469 »

KirinDave wrote: post #93
charliesharding wrote: post #47

I don't really understand why it's surprising to anyone that they would face "internal retaliation" after exposing their employer as evil and boycott worthy to the entire world. By publicizing it to the degree that they did and attaching their name to it, they were putting their interests over the company. If my company started doing business practices that I didn't approve of, I would try my hardest to change the di…

It's literally illegal. There are laws against retaliation against whistleblowers. That is why it is surprising. > I don't understand the desire to stay with a company and accept paychecks while simultaneously publicly denouncing and leading protests against them. Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a…

> It's literally illegal. There are laws against retaliation against whistleblowers. That is why it is surprising.

There are many ways around the law. It happens everyday: "oopsie your team has to work on something else, double oopsie you're no working on AI anymore you'll just work on our CSV parser, that's were the money is these days. Ah ? What are you saying ? You don't want to work on that ? Well feel free to resign, we'll sign you a $200k check if you forget about it", &c.

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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Post by paul7986 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #13

I thought this story had already been reported a month ago. But no, I was wrong, that was the other organizer of the Google Protests, Claire Stapleton: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/07/google-wa... So to clarify, both of the female Google employees who lead/organized the protests have now left because they say they faced retaliation. That looks very bad for Google.

Also, Google’s R&D blatantly steals innovation from female inventors

https://patentpandas.org/stories/company-patented-my-idea

Re: Google Protest Leader Leaves

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Post by snvzz »

geofft wrote: post #37
kodz4 wrote: post #21

Interesting to see as polarization increases, as it will given the environment, whether a company can break into two along political lines. Has that happened before in history? I wouldn't mind a seperate conservative google and a liberal google. Let the quality of the product offered decide which is better.

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>There are exceptions of course, but statistically, leftists are better at tech.

Citation needed.

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Post by _jal »

pgeorgi wrote: post #54
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.wired.com/story/google-walkout-organizers-say-th... >In a message posted to many internal Google mailing lists Monday, Meredith Whittaker, who leads Google’s Open Research, said that after the company disbanded its external AI ethics council on April 4, she was told that her role would be “changed dramatically.” Whittaker said she was told that, in order to stay at the company, she would have to “abandon”…

> who leads Google’s Open Research The only trace I can find of that group/team/whatever is that she leads^Wled it. What does it do? > in order to stay at the company, she would have to “abandon” her work on AI ethics and her role at AI Now Institute, a research center she cofounded at New York University. So side gigs need approval, and if there's a conflict of interest (such as: preventing your employer from buildi…

> Sounds pretty normal to me.

That's the thing about retaliation. Unless the retaliator is really bad at this, it is always going to look gray-area, because you're shading available policy to reach a desired outcome.

You want to do it that way precisely because it plays on some peoples' preconceptions, completely aside from not breaking black-letter law.

A lot of folks will see a enviable company, assume the Powers that Be must get most of it right, and assume the person they already knew was a troublemaker (they were contradicting their betters, weren't they?) was also bad at their job.

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Post by ionised »

gtfratteus wrote: post #12

As a googler, I say good. People like her have made going to work exhausting. Leave your politics at home and let me do my job in peace.

Your 'work' on military drone technology and censored search is political by nature.

If you want politics out of your workplace, stop working for the company that spends more on political lobbying than any other tech company.

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Post by entropea »

fyoving wrote: post #140
entropea wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Positive for Google & Shareholders, but not for the rest of the 7.7 billion people on Earth.

I can't tell sarcastic comments from serious ones anymore, deluded wannabe saviors who actually think like that are abound.

It's not sarcastic at all. I appreciate the ad-hominem for having an opinion, however.
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