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VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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I'm surprised it only has a single USB-C port (and possibly then only for charging?). I too am generally annoyed by port proliferation (and appreciate having at least one USB-A port!), but I've already started embracing USB-C for things, so this laptop's setup would be a step back for me.

The single USB C and not the inclusion of a VGA port is the step back?

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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post #140

Misleading title. A 12.5" laptop is pretty normal these days. The One Mix Yoga 2S, the spiritual successor of the Vaio P, the first ever 7" laptop with a proper CPU (=Intel Core instead of Atom) and proper storage (= SSD instead of eMMC and then NVMe at that). I am in love with that thing.

It's still tiny for a laptop, even if a credit card sized laptop based on a rpi would exist. A normal size is 15.6, large is above that and small is below. You can't properly work on a screen smaller than 14" or so, and I'm sure there'll be lots of people that tell me they work on this in the train every day just fine (the logic being "when challenged, we can find many people on HN that are fine squinting at a 7 inch 1366px screen, therefore there is no majority calling this tiny"), but such a laptop's focus is on mobility and travel, not comfortably doing desktop-equivalent work on it. That's why, for a laptop form factor, I'd say it's tiny and not a misleading title.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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post #145

I'm surprised it only has a single USB-C port (and possibly then only for charging?). I too am generally annoyed by port proliferation (and appreciate having at least one USB-A port!), but I've already started embracing USB-C for things, so this laptop's setup would be a step back for me.

The single USB C and not the inclusion of a VGA port is the step back?

Yes. VGA is frequently used, but so is C. This device has zero usable C ports it seems, it just has a C charger.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ton of upsides. * The hand does not leave the hone row. * It never by mistake registers your hands as a click or a movement. * Your skin can be extremely wet or dry without consequence. * You can continue a motion without being limited by the size of the trackpad, because you don't modulate the position directly, but its first derivative. This removes tension between being precise and having the range. * It separat…

Am I the only person that consistently has trouble with trackpoints? Every time I try to make a large movement I get halfway across the screen before the thing decides it's drifting, tries to correct, and sets its new zero at the edge of physical travel. Then I have to take my finger off it, wait thirty seconds for it to re-zero at physical neutral, and try again, this time remembering to zig-zag so it doesn't think…

Trackpoints give me RSI almost immediately. I've not had this problem with other forms of input for a long time.

The only one I liked was the Toshiba Libretto, which had it on the side of the screen bezel so you could work it with the finger most adapted for fine movements - the thumb.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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post #65

This looks like the same ports, plus a single usb-c and hdmi, that a Thinkpad X230 has.

Yeah, I am not sure what is so special about this. I expected some truly unique ports. My 13.3" Fujitsu Siemens S936 has no USB-C (age) but all the others plus a smartcard and a sim card slot. 12.5" is not exactly a magnitude smaller.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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What are the practical and functional use cases that benefit from a clit mouse vs, say, a trackpad? Genuine question, I've seen them on older laptops but I always assumed they were purely vestigial from a time when trackpads were no good. Also, mandatory: in Russia, clit mouse is blue .

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20431001.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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I see tiny has been redefined. Doesn’t anyone remember when there were 6” subnotebooks in the vaio catalog?

As the proud owner and user of both a VAIO P and UX, I really hope they start looking at some of the smaller niche products again as they’re some of my favourite possessions. Even if they are occasionally impractical, being able to carry a laptop in my pocket with full sized ports for diagnostics is absolutely something I and many in my work community would be willing to pay for.

If you’re a fan of that form factor you need to investigate GPD (Game Pro Devices) and One Netbook, both of whom produce miniature PCs; GPD started with the GPD Win, a pocket console-sized PC with a 5.5” screen optimized for running Windows 10 games, then branched out with the GPD Pocket and Pocket 2, 7” screen subnotebooks (the first was a maxed-out netbook-spec PC, the second gen upgraded to an i3 processor) and now the micro PC, with VGA and RS-232 and a VESA attachment point (it’s intended for sysadmin/ops users who need to bolt a tiny PC to whatever they’re working on). One Netbook are a bit more consumer-ish, but do convertible notebook/tablet machines in the pocket size range. And both companies are now doing subnotebooks with 8-9” screens and beefier CPUs, in the 500-700 gram range.

You can find their stuff via Indiegogo (while kickstarting — they seem to use it to generate publicity rather than for primary funding) or on Geekbuying.com and other retail channels.

Re: VAIO announces tiny laptop with tons of ports

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I disagree with your last point. There may be some "pros" who prefer the clitmouse but I consider myself a "pro user" in that I use my laptop(s) every day for work and for personal stuff, and I greatly greatly prefer a quality trackpad. Apple in particular ships laptops with excellent trackpads. If all you've used is the garbage trackpads that get shipped with most Dell or Lenovo laptops, then sure I can se…

There certainly are many pros of various kinds who prefer the trackpad; in fact, I would say that in any given group (however we define "pros" and "amaterus" when it comes to laptops:), most people will prefer trackpad. But I am to this day convinced it's simply the learning curve - until the day I see a video or a person using trackpad that doesn't make me cringe in the same way that a two-finger key-hunter does. I…

Would these people really do better with a trackpoint? It doesn’t sound like learning issues, but ability issues.
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