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Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by empath75 »

cambalache wrote: post #137
empath75 wrote: post #132

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Guatemalans are short because of chronic malnutrition not because of genetics. Guatemalans born and raised in the us are much taller.

Perhaps, yeah they can add some inches with nutrition. They are still shorter than much poorer countries like Haiti. A rich country like Japan has a short average height so nutrition helps up to a point.

It’s only a couple inches shorter than Americans and a lot of that is still based on how much and the kinds of protein people eat.

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by wsc981 »

dual_basis wrote: post #148
wsc981 wrote: post #140

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I've tried Upwork in the past and the platform made me miserable. I've been using Codementor for the last year or so and been very happy with them. For the past year I've worked for a US client and since a few weeks I work for an Australian client. Why I like Codementor: - The payments are done on time and they don't extract some platform fee as far as I know for the freelance jobs. Or it's invisible to me (perhaps m…

If you're charging $80/hour but then work more hours than you charge your effective hourly wage is less than $80/hour. This is an incredibly low wage (less than half) for typical web design work in my area (New England).

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. As stated earlier, in the Netherlands I worked as a freelancer for 70 EUR an hour (probably around 80 USD or so) and there it's not considered low. You'd probably be in the 10% highest earners in the country. And then I'd also probably lose ~35% of my income on income tax. Here in Thailand I pay pretty much no tax and cost of living is cheaper so for me this is a great improvement.

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by gurkendoktor »

DocTomoe wrote: post #144
gurkendoktor wrote: post #50

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Or Sherpa people carrying luggage up Mt Everest... There's a difference between acknowledging some correlations, and using them as statistical tools in the job market. The latter is thankfully illegal or at least frowned upon.

When they built New York's skyscrapers, they hired predominantly people from the Mohawk tribe to do riveting a three hundred feet above ground because they lacked fear of heights. At what point does a correlation become useful as a statistical tool?

Every proven correlation is immediately useful as a statistical tool! But we also don't jail people when there's an 80% chance they're guilty. Not everything is about efficiency.

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by bsder »

Baeocystin wrote: post #139
ABCLAW wrote: post #121

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Did you grow up with any competitive-level hockey players? The sport is a VERY large time and finance drain on a family.

That's a bit of a non-sequitur. High-end-competitive-level anything is a tremendous time and money sink. But that doesn't mean that the majority of the people that play the sport in question need to be wealthy to participate at the rec-league levels.

> But that doesn't mean that the majority of the people that play the sport in question need to be wealthy to participate at the rec-league levels.

Rec-league hockey requires an ice rink and time on it. Ice rink time is highly demanded and you may be getting it at 6:00AM or 11:00PM. You also need to coordinate teams at those times. And if you want any practice time-you may be getting that at 3:00AM in the morning (not joking).

And, for all of that, you get the joy of shelling out lots of money for the privilege of using the ice on the graveyard shift.

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by polyperchon »

komali2 wrote: post #71
krn wrote: post #59

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> Any tips for freelancers who are recent engineering grads? If you have a relevant degree, why not to apply for a remote job position instead? That would help to build your CV, and allow to switch to contracting later on.

Stack overflow jobs board thing is the best place imo to find remote Dev positions. Harder for new grads. Angel list might be a place to find remote AND newbie friendly jobs.

Second AngelList for this purpose, though keep in mind the salary trade off to work remote for a new grad is likely gonna be considerable.

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by bsder »

sergioj97 wrote: post #147
masonic wrote: post #146

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ice hockey is very resource consumptive, both in terms of money and familial time) attention. Ice hockey requires both equipment and ice-time; both are costly and don't have parallels in other sports.

Why does it require more time than any other sport such as basketball?

How many basketball courts exist vs how many ice rinks exist?

Practically every high school and elementary school has a basketball court--that's probably 10,000+ in Canada. It doesn't count any associated with public parks, etc.

Contrast that with ice rinks which are probably about 1000. You have at least a factor of 10 differential--probably more. In addition, ice rinks are vastly higher outlay to keep running.

So, that means real money to use the rink when using a basketball court is, at worst, a nominal fee. Longer travel to play against another team if you're in a league. Fewer coaches which need to be paid more. And, your practice times are in the "dead zones" from 11:00PM to 6:00AM in the morning as the ice rink is looking to make real money from 3:00PM to about 11:00PM.

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Post by brighter2morrow »

komali2 wrote: post #69
opwieurposiu wrote: post #46

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If you think it is not possible for race be related to job performance you must not have watched much NBA basketball.

You can't make effective prediction off this stereotype. It is useless. There is nothing inherent in "being black" that leads to greater basketball performance. Also, define "black," good luck. Being tall, maaaaaybe. But not perfectly so, and there's no useful correlation between tallness and race, considering that the NBA generally just selects for the most skilled basketball players. Then you get into all the cultu…

>There is nothing inherent in "being black" that leads to greater basketball performance. Also, define "black," good luck.

How so universities define someone as black?

Re: Data scientists shouldn't use Upwork

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Post by [deleted] »

cambalache wrote: post #112
3131s wrote: post #67

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The best athletes are extremely intelligent and driven people. The over-representation of black people in athletics is most definitely related to their under-representation in other fields.

Nah, intelligence is orthogonal to sports skill, that is, it is not correlated. Plenty of dumb and smart sportsmen. Now, mental fortitude, self-belief, ability to perform under pressure, now those things I believe. But none of them are strongly correlated with intelligence.

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Post by komali2 »

brighter2morrow wrote: post #157
komali2 wrote: post #69

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You can't make effective prediction off this stereotype. It is useless. There is nothing inherent in "being black" that leads to greater basketball performance. Also, define "black," good luck. Being tall, maaaaaybe. But not perfectly so, and there's no useful correlation between tallness and race, considering that the NBA generally just selects for the most skilled basketball players. Then you get into all the cultu…

>There is nothing inherent in "being black" that leads to greater basketball performance. Also, define "black," good luck. How so universities define someone as black?

By self-identification.

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Post by dual_basis »

wsc981 wrote: post #152
dual_basis wrote: post #148

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If you're charging $80/hour but then work more hours than you charge your effective hourly wage is less than $80/hour. This is an incredibly low wage (less than half) for typical web design work in my area (New England).

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. As stated earlier, in the Netherlands I worked as a freelancer for 70 EUR an hour (probably around 80 USD or so) and there it's not considered low. You'd probably be in the 10% highest earners in the country. And then I'd also probably lose ~35% of my income on income tax. Here in Thailand I pay pretty much no tax and cost of living is cheaper so for me this is a great improv…

Oh, $80/hr is still well above the top 10% of earners in the US, it's just not very much for web design.
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