YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems” • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jquery » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:15 PM UTC

This is good news. Censorship should've been something with wide bipartisan opposition, but due to the way Google and others cynically (or accidentally) used partisan tricks to make half the populace clamor for their rights to be violated, like they did with Alex Jones and others, they've gotten away with their censorship to grand applause.

Moves like this are a great opportunity to finally develop bipartisan opposition to these corporations. People who've been wearing tribalistic blinders will say, "hey wait a minute, that's my voice you're shutting down, and I'm not a bad person." Even if they don't come to their senses from first principles, at least more of the burden of defending common liberties will now be shared on the shoulders of more people.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by weaksauce » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:16 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #113

jerf wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.

Can you cite your sources?

If they are talking about the project veritas video from supposed googlers... yeah, project veritas has been thouroughly discredited for a long time now.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by i_cant_speel » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:17 PM UTC

Liquix wrote: post #74

sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the…

What stops creators from uploading to both? Sure, they miss out on some revenue when people watch their video on Vimeo rather than YouTube. But once they are getting a significant portion of their views on another platform, that would likely mean the alternative platform is popular enough to offer reasonable compensation to creators and they can eventually stop sharing content on YouTube.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by daeken » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:17 PM UTC

I'm super concerned about this. I head up hacker education at HackerOne and the biggest part of that is Hacker101, which hosts all its videos on YouTube. I have the master files and could host them elsewhere, of course, but there's huge value in discoverability, which YouTube completely owns compared to any other platform. Definitely something that I'm going to have to keep an eye on, and be ready to adapt to if they end up enforcing this.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jlawson » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #113

jerf wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.

Can you cite your sources?

Probably referring most recently to the Project Veritas video where a Google exec talked about how they're going to work on "preventing the next Trump situation" and how if Google is broken up, the smaller companies won't have the resources to do that.

Lots of other such leaks and material also pointing to political manipulation by Google in this. There were some Congressional hearings about it recently.

The video was banned by both YouTube and Vimeo on some flimsy pretext. This by itself reinforces the image of a cabal of megacorporations consolidating control over public mindshare and, by extension, the government itself. Of course the mainstream media (CNN, NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, etc) also totally buried the story.

Here it is on BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by gen3 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

manjana wrote: post #140

gen3 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you!

No problem. Do you have any idea where you'll archive them?

My local server. If the smoke clears and channels do get banned, I'd buy a VPS or post torrent links.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by kelp » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

Lets keep in mind that YouTube has been around for 14 years... In societal terms that's a relatively short amount of time to have a free platform where anyone can post their ideas, no matter how crazy or toxic.

Before that, you could blog.

Before that, you could stand on a street corner and yell, or maybe use a megaphone.

The platforms for broadcasting your message to a large audience were mostly gated, often by large corporations. TV, Newspaper, Radio, etc.

It seems to me that what we are seeing is more like reversion to the mean.

It was great in the early days of the internet, because the communities were small, and often self policing. But once they get large enough it's very easy for the noise to overwhelm the signal. This idea of absolute free speech didn't scale once the population got large enough.

I don't even use Facebook and Twitter anymore because of this. (I also generally opt out of ad supported anything)

I'm really not convinced that providing a cheap / free platform for anyone to amplify their message was actually a net good. Not anymore at least. Like I said, it doesn't scale.

Before, the crazy and toxic could yell on the street corner. Now they have Twitter, Facebook and YouTube to shout their conspiracy theories etc.

IMO, we're overdue for scaling some of that back.

There is the right to say and think whatever you want. That does not imply the right to have your message amplified to millions.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by AcerbicZero » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:19 PM UTC

aphextim wrote: post #93

I can't wait for all the videos showing you how to repair your own stuff gets outlawed. Right now it's 'hacking' or possibly circumventing proprietary systems that are trying to get you to purchase a new device or contact them directly rather than fix it yourself if you have the technical know how. Today it's Software/Hardware and computer systems. How long until looking up a you-tube video on how to repair your John…

I agree, to a point, but I think part of the idea behind the platform -> publisher push is to force YouTube to start making hard choices, where they either become financially untenable trying to stay on top of all the content they're now somewhat legally culpable for, or they ramp up the censorship so quickly and so broadly as to annoy enough of the community to make other platforms viable.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by TheAceOfHearts » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:19 PM UTC

sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall.

Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us

Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us

PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by tasty_freeze » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:19 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #116

Liquix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the…

Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.