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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

I know. I have been a fan of Android for years, but with the privacy issues related to Google I can't help but to think that my next device will be an iPhone. My Galaxy S8+ still works perfectly fine though, so I'm not sure I'm ready to buy something I don't need.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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“No visited places”

None that they want to show you. I'm sure they still have the data and use it silently.

Absolutely. I generally don’t use Google Maps except as a fallback for when Apple maps isn't giving me what I’m looking for.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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> The Google support page for managing and deleting your Location History says that once you turn it off, "the places you go are no longer stored. When you turn off Location History for your Google Account, it's off for all devices associated with that Google Account." The AP's investigation found that's not true. In fact, turning off your Location History only stops Google from creating a timeline of your location t…

Location history is opt-in. You can get your GPS location without enabling it. With iOS, there is no way to even opt out of sending your location to Apple. Your article is misleading. The same apps that build a history of your location with Android Location History turned off will build a history of your location on iOS and other platforms. It is not unique to Android. The user is well aware of it — if they search, t…

This directly contradicts your original comment.

> Unlike every other phone platform, iOS does not allow a user to get their GPS location without telling Apple what it was.

> apps that build a history of your location with Android Location History turned off will build a history of your location on iOS and other platforms. It is not unique to Android.

The article that I quoted was to provide background to the comment that you claimed was spreading misinformation. I don't think that anyone in this thread has acted in bad faith and I don't see any benefit to the quality of the conversation in accusing commenters of dishonesty, being sinister or otherwise attacking the individual rather than the issue. I am happy to provide the information that has informed my opinions and I am happy to hear disagreements but a flame war is neither healthy nor helpful. Mobile devices are just tools and neither platform is worthy of this level of personal investment.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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> iMessage lock-in > SMS from desktop solution > Animojis is probably the biggest one Every so often I am reminded people still use SMS, and by extension, iMessage. I think a combination of being in South East Asia for a long time, and also moving around so much, and both me (and almost everyone I know) uses various messaging apps not tied to a phone number (WhatsApp, Messenger, LINE). I have a British VOIP number wh…

iMessage is no more tied to a phone number than WhatsApp

It’s tied enough that if you leave iPhones and don’t remember to tell Apple to disable iMessage, any iOS user trying to SMS you will not reach you.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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I predict apps will spam location requests to induce decision fatigue on the 'share once' users, who will switch to 'share while using' or 'share always'

According to the WWDC video [1], this can't happen. Your app has to test for permission every time you want it, and iOS decides when to show the permission dialog. Additionally, the 'share always' option goes away. Your app has to earn it, or petition Apple directly for that permission. The 'share while using' is also now temporary, as iOS will periodically ask the user to confirm that this is what they want. iOS doe…

That’s a pain in the ass. I have a number of apps I explicitly granted background access to. That should be my decision, not Apple’s.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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With trust, trade is unlimited. That said, we should be able to say NO - and this includes apple. For instance, why should we have to identify ourselves to apple?

I'm fairly certain that you don't have to identify in any way at least where I live (Germany). You need to register your Apple account with a valid E-Mail address, which can be as fake as you want it to be. Store credits can be bought anonymously with cash at gas stations or other brick and mortar stores.

But a SIM-card is normally not anonymous, no?

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

LineageOS + Xposed which gives you MUCH better control than iOS. In particular there are plugins that allow you to fake certain info to apps, including returning fake IMEI and fake sensor data.

And also trips (unless you try really hard) the stupid "Safety Check" which I can see as beneficial in some cases (i.e. banking apps) but .. is frustrating in other cases (like Pokémon Go, other games/apps).

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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LineageOS + Xposed which gives you MUCH better control than iOS. In particular there are plugins that allow you to fake certain info to apps, including returning fake IMEI and fake sensor data.

And also trips (unless you try really hard) the stupid "Safety Check" which I can see as beneficial in some cases (i.e. banking apps) but .. is frustrating in other cases (like Pokémon Go, other games/apps).

There are plugins for Xposed that let you fake these data on a per-app basis, so if you want an app to have access to real data you can allow that as well.

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And also trips (unless you try really hard) the stupid "Safety Check" which I can see as beneficial in some cases (i.e. banking apps) but .. is frustrating in other cases (like Pokémon Go, other games/apps).

There are plugins for Xposed that let you fake these data on a per-app basis, so if you want an app to have access to real data you can allow that as well.

Which I understand, but it takes a damned long time to try and debug sometimes. I’d rather just not.
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