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Amazon’s Ring Is Putting Suspected Petty Thieves in Its Advertisements

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Post by elliekelly »

turtlebits wrote: post #134
emusan wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a few years my only vehicle was an old, beat up Volvo station wagon. The door locks were damaged and would only lock ~50% of the time. Since I parked the car on the street I would always check to ensure that the doors were locked by pulling on a door handle. One time I did this as a car passed by and a number of people started yelling out of the car at me accusing me of breaking into my own car and even threateni…

Well the Ring ad on facebook says "this woman was caught on camera breaking into a vehicle". So I don't think it could be a false report of attempted robbery, unless Ring is lying.

We don’t live in a world where you can presume truth in a Facebook advertisement.

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Post by klyrs »

isoskeles wrote: post #39
givinguflac wrote: post #29

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You’re an idiot. There is plenty of overt racism today, don’t post your incoherent political ramblings on HN, it’s not the place.

As I said in my other comment, maybe focus on the overt racism. I'm getting sick of seeing people nitpick at pointless garbage like perceived or circumstantial racism (something akin to 'these people must be pearl-clutching racists because they get upset that the stranger at their door is not light-skinned'). It seriously degrades actual claims of racism. And I didn't bring race into this, the parent comment to my ow…

It's a symptom. And it's not like black folks don't get shot for knocking on doors [0, 1, 2]. So when major corporations advertise, preying on fears and taking advantage of societal preconceptions, they're reinforcing and legitimizing the bias that gets people killed.

Racism is a spectrum, from explicit to implicit. Yes we need to be louder about the disproportionate extrajudicial killings of black people by police, their targeted disenfranchisement, etc [3]. But none of these emergencies invalidates criticism of the milder, more pervasive forms of racism.

[0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/31/georgi...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Renisha_McBride

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/11/teen-missed...

[3] https://www.vox.com/2019/6/7/18656568/usa-human-rights-repor...

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Post by m463 »

dtagames wrote: post #6

I smell a lawsuit coming. How can Amazon think it's ok to use people's faces in an advertisement when those people haven't been convicted of a crime? The case of Ring is particularly disturbing. When its inventor appeared on Shark Tank, he said he wanted to create a way to hear his doorbell from the garage. Since Amazon bought the company for $1B, it's pivoted to a surveillance tool that's being offered to police as…

Would you be ok with it if the video stayed local?

The companies that insert themselves into every equation are the ones that make me upset. "Registation required to enable", "cloud based device", etc.

Also, Telsa cars now have 8 cameras and users have access to the footage with Dashcam Mode (while driving) and Sentry Mode (while parked). Lots of youtube videos are showing up, showing interesting things like autopilot saving the car, or people keying parked cars.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

madengr wrote: post #145
CamperBob2 wrote: post #140

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What is this "noise floor" you speak of? https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/49yuwx/til_gp... The whole idea behind SS and UWB techniques is that the noise floor is under your control, rather than Boltzmann's.

You would need PRN codes with zero cross-correlation; no such thing. So when you add more users, they appear as noise in your de-spread bandwidth. Add more users, your noise floor goes up, degrading your SNR. There are optimum codes to use, such and Gold (GPS) and Walsh (IS-95 CDMA), but they still have non-zero cross-correlation, so your users are limited. Still no free lunch.

I didn't say it was a free lunch. ~99% of a free lunch, which is what proper spreading codes buy you, is good enough.

Point being, the obstacles are regulatory, not technical.

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Post by madengr »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #155
madengr wrote: post #145

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You would need PRN codes with zero cross-correlation; no such thing. So when you add more users, they appear as noise in your de-spread bandwidth. Add more users, your noise floor goes up, degrading your SNR. There are optimum codes to use, such and Gold (GPS) and Walsh (IS-95 CDMA), but they still have non-zero cross-correlation, so your users are limited. Still no free lunch.

I didn't say it was a free lunch. ~99% of a free lunch, which is what proper spreading codes buy you, is good enough. Point being, the obstacles are regulatory, not technical.

They are still technical. The spreading doesn’t buy you anything in terms of channel capacity, just processing gain over narrow band interference, and the downside is now you need precise power control to keep all those codes at the same noise level.

4G & 5G uses OFDM, essentially distributing the data over slow, narrow band channels to get around the multi-path issues with trying to use even wider band CDMA. Then MIMO to actually increase the capacity, which only works when you have multi path.

This gives a good summary, specifically page 32, but CDMA is essentially dead soon.

http://www.pitt.edu/~dtipper/2720/2720_Slides9.pdf

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Post by lern_too_spel »

will_brown wrote: post #106
geggam wrote: post #65

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As an atty I am sure you are aware folks can sue and typically he with the most money wins, regardless of law (see:OJ)

What does OJ have to do with a lawsuit and money? OJ was tried criminally and was found not guilty (I assure you the state of California has more money than OJ, yet he prevailed). OJ was then sued civilly for wrongful death by the Goldman’s (OJ probably had more money than the Goldman’s) and yet the Goldman’s prevailed in the civil suit.

The standard for winning a civil case (preponderance of evidence) is lower than the standard for winning a criminal case (beyond a reasonable doubt), so the two are not comparable.

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Post by dTal »

therealgranton wrote: post #112
dTal wrote: post #58

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You still served them?! That kind of language and treatment of staff should result in ejection from the premises and a permanent ban, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Not indulgence!

Wasn't trying to get fired, frankly. I made up to $40/hr there at 20 yo. My boss was black, too. It was in the South, so it was more of a bad fact of life and treated as such by management. I agree with you, though. Nowadays, I wouldn't hesitate to refuse service.

I didn't mean to suggest that you, personally, should have refused them. But perhaps your boss should have. When was this? I didn't think naked racism was tolerated in public even in the South in past few decades. Perhaps I'm naive.

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Post by will_brown »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #157
will_brown wrote: post #106

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What does OJ have to do with a lawsuit and money? OJ was tried criminally and was found not guilty (I assure you the state of California has more money than OJ, yet he prevailed). OJ was then sued civilly for wrongful death by the Goldman’s (OJ probably had more money than the Goldman’s) and yet the Goldman’s prevailed in the civil suit.

The standard for winning a civil case (preponderance of evidence) is lower than the standard for winning a criminal case (beyond a reasonable doubt), so the two are not comparable.

What does that have anything to do with the point being made of the OJ Simpson case as an example of money winning cases? In both the civil and criminal case the parties with more money/resources lost respectively.

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Post by mruts »

jliptzin wrote: post #144
discreditable wrote: post #87

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These guys are a big part of why I rarely answer my door anymore.

I never open the door unless it is for someone I am expecting, no exceptions whatsoever. It is a textbook case of something that has marginal upside and unlimited downside.

I mean, having someone die on your doorstep because you didn’t help them seems like a large downside to me.
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