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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

metildaa wrote: post #146
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody does that to an extent- they'll just have to find some way of getting their CPU's (including their designs) directly from within China . This may not be as hard as people think with the Joint-Ownership thing that the Chinese government requires. I'm sure that chipmakers would love the business if they can get into China. To address your comment- yes, they already do that, but because of loopholes, they prob…

Huawei has no 7nm fab available that will turn a blind eye to pirate ARM chips (since their ARM license was revoked), and it is unlikely any new 7nm fabs will be built in China soon. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20077587

Wouldn't one of those joint-ownership project things where one company within China owns 51% of the project work out? It would have to be not Huawei, but would that work?

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Post by vkou »

dTal wrote: post #111
vkou wrote: post #69

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Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Name one. As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.

> Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Apple?

Has had a revolving door arrangement with the White House. Was fingered in PRISM. Was involved in the US Digital Services and 18F. Closely worked with the government to lower its repatriation tax burdens.

And if these specifics don't satisfy you, we all know that the Department of Defense was heavily involved with Silicon Valley since day 1. I'll wiggle my eyebrows vaguely, but suggestively at this fact, and let the audience draw its own conclusions, about the close relationship that the US Government has with SV tech firms.

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Post by 8note »

metildaa wrote: post #147
Barrin92 wrote: post #124

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Not really hard, there's no united position. Huawei is a significant supplier of 4G infrastructure in Europe so ditching Huawei completely would be very costly, and at the moment it's mostly a matter of the individual nation states. I don't think there's a country that has issued a complete ban comparable to the US, and most European countries will probably purchase 5G tech from Huawei for parts of their networks.

Huawei hasn't updated OpenSSL in their cellular basestation firmware, despite promises to do so in 2012 & 2018: https://hmgstrategy.com/resource-center/articles/2019/04/04/... These really basic maintenance tasks aren't happening, leaving cell networks vulnerable to anyone who can be bothered to look up a CVE and run the provided demo exploit code. Hard to maintain a network you can't secure :c

I think there's a misplaced assumption here, that you should trust a network to keep your traffic safe.

it's reasonable to think that regardless of their SSL implementation, you should assume that the network owner is going to try and spy on your traffic and sell it to the highest bidder

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Post by vkou »

mistermann wrote: post #89
vkou wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Name one. As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.

What do you mean by "close links"?

The same thing that people talking about the Chinese boogieman mean.

A nebulous, ill-defined hand-waved general accusation, with no clear goalposts, that infers that there's an intersection between the company's past or present employees, and past or present employees, executives, or advisers in government, that the company at some point received government seed funding, investments, or government contracts, that secret meetings take place between the company, and the government, that the company is a special contractor for the government, building custom solutions for it, or that the company may be compromised by government meddling.

The beauty of accusing a company of having close ties with its government is that it can mean almost anything you want it to mean.

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Post by SmokeGS »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #136
johnnycab wrote: post #135

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You might be right, but after the pomp and ceremony is over and syrupy vomit of 'special relationship' and some-such has been expelled, hopefully some real business will get done?

I suspect the real business is done slightly in advance, if anything.

I believe you're correct

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Post by krona »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

> I wish the U.S. government had used their power to push for some form of a mandatory and transparent security audit to ensure data privacy.

That's exactly what the UK did. It's called the Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC).

Here's the latest (public) annual report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

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Post by 8note »

mistermann wrote: post #87
ulfw wrote: post #64

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That's exactly it. The US is shooting itself in the foot. Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.

> The US is shooting itself in the foot. This is one possible outcome. Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world. > Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. That seems like a bit of a biased interpretation. Do you believe the US is literally trying to kill Huawei, or might it be possi…

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Post by njepa »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

They are already doing that, this is presumably part of what the entire conflict is about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

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Post by tolger »

This move by the US to sabotage Huawei will, in the long term, harm American competitiveness. I haven't yet seen or heard any concrete proof that Huawei poses a "threat" to national security. The fact that Trump mentioned their fate could be "negotiated" as part of a larger trade agreement with China points in the other direction. Either way, this is bad for free enterprise and free commerce.
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