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SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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post #135

> The score would not be reported to the student, only to college officials. This seems really sketchy. I mean, I can completely understand why the College Board would want to avoid blowback from students knowing their scores, but their convenience seems like insufficient cause to deny students access to their own information.

Might have to do with wanting to avoid people trying to game the system?

Not that I expect the shroud of secrecy to actually mitigate that problem.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

Is it even secretly anymore? It just seems outright discrimination, at this point, as far as admissions is concerned.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please link to the College Board's list of criteria? In the article I could only find two examples out of 15.

Been posted a couple times in subthreads here, including the grandparent-post: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1129009648214921216 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sat-adversity-score-college-boa...

Thanks. CBS seems much better than the NYT on this.

Quote:

These factors are first divided into three categories: neighborhood environment, family environment and high school environment.

Each of the three categories has five sub-indicators that are indexed in calculating each student's adversity score. Neighborhood environment will take into account crime rate, poverty rate, housing values and vacancy rate. Family environment will assess what the median income is of where the student's family is from; whether the student is from a single parent household; the educational level of the parents; and whether English is a second language. High school environment will look at factors such as curriculum rigor, free-lunch rate and AP class opportunities. Together these factors will calculate an individual's adversity score on a scale of one to 100.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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This seems like a potentially good first step in trying to counter wealthy people's gaming of the system with SAT "prep" and the like.

studying is gaming the system?

I know you're being rhetorical, but sure. Studying for the SAT doesn't mean you'll do any better in college.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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>Higher scores have been found to correlate with students coming from a higher-income families and having better-educated parents. Which makes a lot of sense since income correlates with intelligence and intelligence is partially heritable. A century ago the SAT was used to fine diamonds in the rough for first-generation college students. After multiple generations of college students mating with college students, yo…

Income correlates with intelligence because measures of intelligence measure income.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

#157

Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

Can you make an argument why this would be considered about “outcome” for the purpose of conversation?

Can it be called “conversation” at that point?

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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post #19

Presumably the SAT is meant to indicate a student's likelihood for success in a university setting; surely bumping up the scores of students based on how likely they are to be unprepared is counterproductive? This seems like it's going to set underprivileged students up for failure and deprive well-prepared students of an opportunity, no?

Perhaps the most cynical view of College Board and the SATs is that it is a bloated and useless bureaucracy leeching money and time off of students, their parents, high schools, and universities, and that this new 'Adversity Score' is merely a new way to introduce an entire new army of useless people with new material and classes to be sold to innocent people just trying to get into a decent school and pursue a path to a better life.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

Can you make an argument why this would be considered about “outcome” for the purpose of conversation?

It doesn't. It falls squarely into the "equality of opportunity" category, but that won't stop ideologues from screaming that the sky is falling.
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