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Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by paulcarroty »

throwtt78oo65 wrote: post #149
namelosw wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additional (additional side-note): 'Winne the Pooh' movie has been banned[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Additional (Additional (additional side-note)): No it’s not. The Guardian and other articles are wrong. [0] [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/au5hd6/is_winnie_the... In addition, Peppa Pig is not banned and neither are time travel shows. In 2018, there were over 20 TV shows that had time travel in them.

Heh, you're registered to say us how good and bright is China? LOL.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by anoncake »

madez wrote: post #84
ekianjo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The English version of Wikipedia is not free of bias either. Wikipedia is not a source of truth for everything out there.

When I see that articles about the same thing in different languages state different and incompatible numbers, then I always think that this is an obvious and easily solveable problem; separate the data from the language and reference it in the text. That way each language uses the same data. This shouldn't just be done with numbers, but with dates, and other easily convertible information. Yes, this will create conf…

That's a horrible idea.

1. The surrounding text depends on the number it contains. By blindly replacing numbers in every language version, you get garbage like "Town A is the most populated place on the region at 10,000 inhabitants, followed by Town B at 11,000."

2. If you look at multiple language versions and they disagree, you know one of them must be incorrect and you should watch out for bias and outdated information. Forcing them to all have the same data takes away that feature.

3. Bias is rarely a problem with objectively checkable data. When the PRC publishes an encyclopedia, the issue with it is not that they'd get the date of Tiananmen Square wrong.

4. Requiring people to use and read some sort of placeholders instead of ordinary text greatly increases the barrier to entry.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by jerryzh »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #14

As the artical mentions, the Chinese version has been blocked since 2016 - shortly after Wikipedia made the decision to move to mandatory HTTPS via HSTS. I'm not sure how recent this is but it seems that the site is also on the HSTS preload list used by most browsers - even within China (it seems Chrome is very popular there). It seems they have just gotten arround to blocking all of the other languages this year. ES…

Well actually they have been blocked all language about a week ago on May 6th or 7th.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by jerryzh »

CallMePK wrote: post #66

I still remember that last year during my internship in Mainland China, clone git repository from GitHub and GitLab is a pain and my professor even have to use VPN too. China is basically hell for developers. I am afraid the new generations in China will no longer know about the real Internet. *sigh

I am quite curious about you experience. From my own experience download speed from GitHub is always acceptable. Whoever cares about Internet in English in Chinese will have their way to cross the GFW. You may search shadowsocks on GitHub and see how well developed the technology has became. BTW, internet service in most top universities in China can cross GFW through ip6.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by gastlygem »

throwtt78oo65 wrote: post #149
namelosw wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additional (additional side-note): 'Winne the Pooh' movie has been banned[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Additional (Additional (additional side-note)): No it’s not. The Guardian and other articles are wrong. [0] [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/au5hd6/is_winnie_the... In addition, Peppa Pig is not banned and neither are time travel shows. In 2018, there were over 20 TV shows that had time travel in them.

The 2018 movie Christopher Robin didn't premiere in China. Moreover, there is no way to legally download or view the said movie in any Chinese online movie providers.

I'd like to be proven wrong. So wise throwtt78oo65, tell me about your facts.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by sepent »

I used the same method to see what is the blocking mechanism in Iran. I tried to connect to www.bbc.com which is blocked in Iran.

The DNS injection is obviously in place. But something strange happened when I checked the SNI filtering. The curl command stopped at "TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS alert, Client hello (1)" and never exited when I tried to connect to www.bbc.com but with a --connect-to that is not blocked. Nothing strange until now. If SNI blocking is in place, they probably drop all the remaining packets of the connection. The strange thing is that when I try the opposite test and I connect to www.kernel.org (not blocked in Iran, too!) but with www.bbc.com SNI it still stops at TLS client hello.

First I thought they blocked the IP address, but I was able to connect to 212.58.244.210 (the IP address of www.bbc.com) on port 443 with telnet command. So, is Iran's regime using some other blocking mechanism that I'm not aware of? Or am I doing some kind of mistake?

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