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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by jillesvangurp »

jdietrich wrote: post #23
jillesvangurp wrote: post #10

I've seen a few e-golf's charging on the streets in the past few weeks in Berlin. I assume these are pre-production models. Looks like a normal Golf aside from the charging port. From my understanding, this is a big step for VW. However, short term, they will likely have range and production capacity issues, just like Tesla did not exactly hit the ground running. I would not be surprised if this is merely a stop gap…

>Short term, Tesla could really make VW hurt by ramping up production and dropping price and competing with both their ICE and non ICE offerings. That's a very big could . Tesla have an advantage in terms of battery availability, but they simply don't have the expertise and the experience to build cars at real scale. Tesla are literally building cars as fast as they can, but they've still got a multi-year backlog of…

They may have been planning for years but they also have been in denial for years. This is not more of the same for them: they have to change. Most of their existing production capacity is a liability rather than an asset. It's something they are going to have to get rid off/shut down (and that's not cheap) and it is starting to look like they'll be doing that years/decades ahead of what they hoped would be the timeline. Tesla is forcing their hands here by shipping in volume before everyone thought/hoped that was possible.

Their distribution network is a source of extra cost. Tesla eliminated that from the equation. There are no third party dealers. Dealers take a margin cut. With VW, that margin comes out of VWs pocket. Tesla doesn't have this.

The drive train VW has developed has to now prove itself in the real world. Early indications are that it is a combination of more expensive to make and not as performant as what Tesla has. Tesla has done well here and VW is catching up.

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Post by pfranz »

petre wrote: post #105
pcardoso wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a multiple VWs, including an 2001 Bora TDI (the EU name of the Jetta) and they were very reliable. Still, some cars are born a lemon.

The Bora was good, we had one as well, sold it and bought a Civic that had its share of issues. However I would not buy a VW electric, not after Dieselgate. They're cheaters and cheaters need to be punushed.

Who would you buy from? VW got the most attention, but it seems like every automaker has been caught cheating emissions tests going back to the 70s. Daimler just got caught last month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#Manuf...

https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/14/mercedes-diesel-emission...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by shapiro92 »

nickbarnwell wrote: post #16
mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

ehmm what? the 30k is for 330 km the 44k is for 420 km the XXk is for 550 km

Model 3 comes at around 45k for the 550km and includes autopilot and an amazing interior.

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Post by skgoa »

chaostheory wrote: post #76
electriclove wrote: post #46

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

> We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. I don't feel that this is a problem because of California laws regarding EVs, forcing every manufacturer to sell more EVs every year.

EU and China are doing much more to push EVs than California.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by skgoa »

capitalisthakr wrote: post #146
zaphirplane wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or VW is trying to get some association with Tesla model 3 Wow how very uncreative, I would be too embarrassed by such blatant copying model => Id 3 => 3 New name ID3

cough BMW i3

And Audi A3, BMW 3 series etc.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by skgoa »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #113
localhoat wrote: post #51

As a German - this is really embarrassing. Old managers, old technology, old dealer infrastructure - painted in freaking childish colors. Really guys? That’s the best we can do...?

> As a German - this is really embarrassing. What's really embarrassing is that German authorities and engineering bodies did not nail to the wall the VW execs that pushed the 'Dieselgate' fraud. The reputation of German engineering was worth billions - those crooks took some millions to the bank uncontested, and now "cheats and liars" is the word. Good going.

> What's really embarrassing is that German authorities and engineering bodies did not nail to the wall the VW execs that pushed the 'Dieselgate' fraud.

They literally investigated and brought criminal charges. Those people are likely to get punished to the full extend of the law, which in a lot of those cases will mean prison time. What more do you want? Death penalty without a court case?

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Post by thomasfl »

razster wrote: post #65
bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

Before I gave up owning a car all together a year ago, I used to take my car to an independent car mechanic. He is also the singer in one of Norways most popular rock band, The Dum Dum Boys. Compared to the car mechanics working for the car brands, he does not seems to hold any dirty details back. He claims that new german cars needs to have a lot more parts replaced more often now than they used to do 20 years ago. The cars have not become more expensive either. Wires, cables, casks, everything breaks faster than it used to not that many years ago. If you thought the car industry have become more disruptive and automated, you probably have to think again.

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Post by Tepix »

I like that electric cars are starting to have smaller hoods. With the battery located at the bottom of the car and the electric motors at or in the wheels, there is no need for a long hood.

Just switching to electric will not solve our mobility problems. Cars need to get smaller and lighter and we need fewer of them, not more.

I'm looking forward to what's on the horizon in the european L7e category (up to 450kg w/out battery), for example the Microlino. DLR is also doing some interesting research in this area with their NGC Safe Light Regional Vehicle (SLRV). They recently did some crash tests with promising results: https://www.dlr.de/dlr/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10122/333_r...

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