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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Assume this only covers stealth planes flying below the height of the base stations?

Cell towers are too low to use them to detect a stealth plane passing in between their antennas and anything on the ground, but satellites could be used. We're surrounded by radio signals originating from the sky, so at least in theory the right equipment could detect a stealth plane not thanks to the radio waves it reflects but the ones it doesn't let pass through itself.

It was a joke :)

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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I'm surprised the article doesn't reference the recent Bob Lazar documentary which deals with this alleged tech from a first-hand perspective (Bob was a whistleblower in a lab that worked on a kind of gravity drive, according to him.) It's quite well-produced, and it's probably the only UFO-related film I consider worth watching: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-s...

Thank for sharing this. Always wondered what happened to Bob Lazar and they did a good job re-telling the original story and interviewing his friends/wife. Took me a moment to realize that his ‘United Nuclear’ was the very company where I ordered some radioactive ore a few years ago to test my electronic kit Geiger counter that we put together with the kids as a science project.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Nick Cook wrote a book in 2001 entitled The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity . It's notable because Cook was an editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, a legendary and reputable defense publication of the utmost credibility. A few years ago in a thread similar to this I discussed[0] and dissected[1] the book. My conclusion was that Cook is mistaken, but given incidents like this, and the fact…

It never hurts to wonder. If we assume the Tic Tac is a man made craft, it doesn't seem a far stretch to also assume it may employ antigravitics. Perhaps it can be traced back to Die Glocke [1]. Your linked HN posts also mention Hutchison, an interesting character who appears repeatedly down the rabbit hole, where you'll also discover Schauberger and Leedskalnin. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors in these topics, wh…

A lot of the super cranky claims around the Bell come from Joseph Farrell and others. It could have been any number of things if it did exist. My money is on an enrichment device or something else related to a-bomb R&D. It could also have been a fringe physics experiment, and maybe it just didn't work. The Nazis pursued a lot of odd things.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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If these incidents were aliens, I would expect a lot more reactions from the military, politic, and financial markets. All reactions seem muted. Secondly, why would aliens reveal themselves in such a way? Either land on the White House lawn or stay out of sight. This 50 year UFO appearances, with some but not really a lot of witnesses, don't make sense for me.

You're trying to reason about 'alien' intelligence in terms of human traits. What makes you think they are even interested in us at all? Maybe they just came here to re-up on potassium.

You really can't reason about alien intelligence at all. Look at how hard it is for, say, a typical American to reason about a devout Muslim in Iran or vice versa. In that case we are talking about two beings of the same damn species with a lot of common history.

If aliens are coming here their motives could be anything including irrational or just non-rational.

I've speculated for a while that a "post-singularity" post-scarcity intelligence would get... bizarre... due to lack of hard scarcity constraints. It would just fan out across state space. It would be less Star Trek and more Lexx. Maybe they do make crop circles as interactive art. Maybe they do strange stuff to us to slowly convert us to their religion. Who knows? We can't know.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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The Soviets had vast presence in Europe and were credible ideological opponents. China is contained in South East Asia and poses no ideological threat to the West.

Are you unaware of China's Belt and Road initiative? Confucious Institutes at U.S. universities?

Plus, countries like Korea are nervous with all this talk of closing bases. China is a likely new ally if they feel they can't rely on the US.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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post #138

I'm surprised the article doesn't reference the recent Bob Lazar documentary which deals with this alleged tech from a first-hand perspective (Bob was a whistleblower in a lab that worked on a kind of gravity drive, according to him.) It's quite well-produced, and it's probably the only UFO-related film I consider worth watching: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bob-lazar-area-51-flying-s...

Oh, lord. Bob has been thoroughly discredited. Like utterly and completely. His credentials do not check out. Nothing he says checks out. Nothing he says even makes sense when you apply the most basic understanding of physics or even simple logic to his claims. But the guy is amazing to listen to, and I really think he believes every word he says. And that's a bit scary — to be that deluded.

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Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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I have seen UFO-s twice. First time in early 1990ies, second time it was about 10 years ago. First sight looked like a formation of lights that moved in sync across the night sky in a straight line. The formation was long, like a long rectangle or long cylinder made of stars. Not too many stars, maybe a hundred. Moving slowly straight in the direction of it's length. I could not tell how far it was, so I can't really…

>first situation I wonder if it's possible that you saw multiple satellites at once moving in the sky? >second situation I wonder if a meteor could bounce when it hits a denser part of the atmosphere and change direction a bit, and maybe it was only the angle you were seeing it from that made the change in direction look as extreme as 90 degrees?

I think that for each situation there could be many explanations, and one would have to assess the probability of all of them happening and then decide based upon such an assessment - finally choose the most probable and easily achievable.

>>first situation

> I wonder if it's possible that you saw multiple satellites at once moving in the sky?

I have a sketch of what I saw from that period, but it does not have enough details to investigate it now. I would not like to discuss based on false personal memory after such a long time.

Still, I could add (out of my memory of what I saw) is that the lights (stars) were in a long rectangular (or cylindrical) formation, were brighter than the rest of the lights in the night sky (brighter than the rest of the stars). They all moved together in sync (imagine looking at a train painted nonreflective black with randomly dispersed luminiscent dots all over it, they will all move in the same direction and with same speed). I was in central Europe and was looking towards south-west, the objects were moving from the south-west part of the sky towards the south part of the sky.

I don't think that there is big enough probability of having that many satellites in a rather narrow patch of the sky (they can't be on the same orbit, so they would have to be on 100 different orbits and still look to be in the same place and appear as to being part of a big formation).

I think that some optical phenomena would be a better explanation of what I saw. Maybe we were looking at a projection of many starts - but projected from where and how.

Most simple and believable explanation is many airplanes flying in a formation.

>>second situation

>I wonder if a meteor could bounce when it hits a denser part of the atmosphere and change direction a bit, and maybe it was only the angle you were seeing it from that made the change in direction look as extreme as 90 degrees?

Optics (refraction, reflection and parallax effects) can explain such a thing if there was some barrier which was met by the object or was introduced on the line of sight between me and the object.

If if was a meteor (which most of the time you don't see until it hits the atmosphere and starts burning) then it would lightup even more upon hitting something. Plus meteors usually have a trail, which i did not see.

The speed must have been immense, since it crossed the sky in a mere instant. I would expect an even bigger flame and trail with such speed.

I can't recall if it was completely dark at that moment or shortly after sunset, but it was in the evening and I was looking to north - northwest, and the object appeared from the west part of the sky, and exit on the north part of the sky, after changing direction (so it was moving from west to north in the begining and then changed north). This are all aprox directions, just to have it illustrated.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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The guys giving those interviews are real former military personnel, recruited as they completed their service, and are being compensated to perform on camera. This is all part of a secondary program that pairs with the introduction of new, highly advantageous technology.

To each of those guys in the interviews, this is a way to earn a little extra cash now that they're effectively retired. There's likely a pay scale, where the higher ranking officers (the pilots) get paid more for their performance. They've likely all been trained on improvisational performance techniques, so that they can speak convincingly at in-person events.

The program is there to serve as a deterent and create doubt about the new sensor fusion systems being deployed. Somewhere in the ranks of the military, there's always a little paranoia about a military coup. Air defence would be key to staging a successful coup.

So, these UFO incidents are there to send a message with a wink and a nod, not to get any crazy ideas that there might not be some technological checks and balances built into these systems. To those of you that operate them, it would be wise to think twice before hatching any plans to hijack these systems or sell out to the enemy at a crucial moment. Note that the Navy and the Air Force are being stacked against each other, in this architecture of balanced power.

Anyone getting ideas about seizing control or sabotaging these systems might experience a visit from little green men. Get it?

So, the space alien MacGuffin is just window dressing for the larger con game. These stories create FUD about technology misuse among potentially corruptible staff.

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