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Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

fit2rule wrote: post #143
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm extraordinarily concerned if someone believes any source above reproach. Has every wikileaks leak been proven true, is it that there are a ton of unproven ones, and a handful of verified? What's the ratio?

I dunno, you tell me? The war crimes are true. The crimes against humanity are true. All of the evidence that has been presented by Wikileaks to demonstrate that the USA regularly assassinates innocent people: quite true. You might not like the truth, but that doesn't excuse you from investigating it for yourself, especially when its in your name as an American that these crimes are being committed ..

Someone is stealing my identity then, I'm not American.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by ChrisSD »

u10 wrote: post #137
Tycho wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes what they did is totally 'normal' if you ignore the elephants in the room that Assange had a legitimate claim to asylum from US persecution (and that they refused to promise no extradition) and that the case was ridiculous in the first place. He stayed in Sweden for five weeks after the event and they let him leave after he failed to gain a work permit. Here's some of the ridiculous things: * the women admit to s…

> the women admit to sleeping with him consensually before and after the alleged offenses, also housing him in their homes and hanging out socially It follows that using your logic, a husband cannot rape his wife, no matter the circumstances, which is not only sexist but incredibly stupid logic >the accusations were made after the alleged victims consulted with each other at the police station Why does that matter? >…

Indeed, there was no mystery involved in the reopening of the case. After the preliminary investigation was initially dropped on 25 August 2010, a lawyer representing one of the alleged victims requested a review of the prosecutor's decision. On 1 September 2010 (a week later) it was decided that the investigation should be resumed.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by bberrry »

droithomme wrote: post #40
yasp wrote: post #8

Craig Murray's reaction is worth reading [1]. I realize he does not respond to the bail breach directly, but rather to what precipitated this chain of events. > If the Swedish allegations against Julian Assange were genuine and not simply a ruse to arrest him for extradition to the United States, where is the arrest warrant now from Sweden and what are the charges? > Only the more minor allegation has passed the stat…

> In the case of the allegation in Sweden that did fall through the statute of limitation, the accusation was that during the act of consensual sex Julian Assange deliberately split the condom with his fingers, without consent. ... But the split condom given to Swedish police as evidence had none of Assange’s DNA on it – a physical impossibility if he had worn it during sex. And the person making the accusation had p…

Why are you quoting a sentence that's not in the article? Nice way to appropriate BBCs credibility to your conspiracy theory.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Tycho »

ChrisSD wrote: post #149
Tycho wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not established that he 'fled' to the UK, versus leaving with permission, and obviously if they really wanted to they could have stopped him leaving. It's not clear what exactly the accusation is or what the injured party actually wants. But the odds are that this is a ruse.

His own lawyer admits[0] that Assange was informed that Swedish authority were seeking Assange for interrogation, although the lawyer apparently suffers from a certain amount of selective amnesia (as many lawyers do). It's incredibly clear what the accusations are even if you don't speak Swedish as they're spelled out in the European Arrest Warrant[1]: > On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enk…

That's what the Swedish authorities are saying but for all we know the alleged victim is not even standing behind these claims. Since the Swedish authorities just want to 'interview' Assange there is no downside for them to use some trumped up accusations/statements as a pretext to get that interview (and get him into custody). Assange's lawyer is on record saying that text messages contradict the allegations. I doubt he's staking the defense and his professional reputation on a lie.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Tycho »

ChrisSD wrote: post #150
Tycho wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. Look at Gary Mckinnon. I would rather be in the UK than Sweden. But regardless, he was on Ecuadorian soil.

Sweden disallows extradition for political reasons. If, after fleeing to the UK, he'd agreed to be extradited back to Sweden then both the UK and Sweden would have to agree to any extradition request, which would have been a far better situation then the UK alone. Instead he ran from the UK authorities too. So it seems that Assange didn't have your faith in the UK. Either that or he was fleeing Sweden and not the US.

Why would he be worried about standing trial in Sweden? There's no way the accusations can be proven. Explain to me how the prosecution would work? If Sweden has a remotely sane legal system the case would be thrown out of court.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by dang »

bberrry wrote: post #153
droithomme wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the case of the allegation in Sweden that did fall through the statute of limitation, the accusation was that during the act of consensual sex Julian Assange deliberately split the condom with his fingers, without consent. ... But the split condom given to Swedish police as evidence had none of Assange’s DNA on it – a physical impossibility if he had worn it during sex. And the person making the accusation had p…

Why are you quoting a sentence that's not in the article? Nice way to appropriate BBCs credibility to your conspiracy theory.

I'm guessing that droithomme meant to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19796933, but posted a top-level comment by mistake. That is not uncommon.

With that in mind, I've moved 19797118 to be a child of 19796933. Even if the guess is wrong, it makes more sense in that context anyway.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by dang »

Tycho wrote: post #91
ChrisSD wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He provably skipped bail. EDIT: And tbh I'm not sure how the original arrest warrant for rape could be considered by anyone to be a "technicality".

Well done for missing the point.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by [deleted] »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #50
fit2rule wrote: post #17

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Corollary: As long as he is in a maximum security prison controlled by imperial powers, the public will not be aware of the brainwashing/programming/coercion he is going to be subjected to .. Will we see the same Assange in 50 weeks? This is more than enough time for the masters of MK ULTRA to subvert his will and turn him into a puppet.

I'm trying to decide if this line of thinking is scary or wondrous.

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Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Tomte »

DanBC wrote: post #127
dleslie wrote: post #34

I suspect that the USA isn't keen to make him a martyr, and that key players recognize the minimal value in prosecuting him now. It will be interesting to see how they utilize this nearly year-long reprieve from Assange's political posturing.

He'll be oput in 6 months if he isn't an idiot. https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence/determinate-pris...

And since his cat won't be with him, he might even manage to do that.
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