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Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Is there anything of traceability in Golden? In the past years, I have been documenting the works, exhibitions, and documents about a Dutch artists. While doing this, I have often come across conflicting information. I have discovered that what I actually need is a reasoning system about statements and have a mechanism for traceability with respect to every fact represented.

You seem to want classic style AI in the style of Cyc:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Cynical self: They raised a $5mil round just to re-do wikipedia with more self-referential VC pats on the back. Intrigued self: If there is anything worth raising money for, it is building out a collective knowledge base for all of humanity. Angry self: Wikipedia is quite literally one of the most amazing things that the internet and millions of strangers have ever produced together, and lives as a vital proof of con…

Jude from Golden here. Agreed that WP is one of the most amazing things ever built and interesting to see your various lenses on our mission. To the cynical self: see dropbox launch on HN back in the day. PS I’m no way claiming we are dropbox :> To the angry self: There are various constraints that we want to release ourselves from in working on this problem by starting fresh. We believe the constraint space is too h…

> To the academic self: we want to cover 10bn+ topics, google knowledge graph is around 3bn+ entities. We are not attempting to map all lamp posts in san francisco which would make a useful data set for a self driving car company but we do want to map all businesses, concepts, science topics, people of interest, species, products, services, etc etc. Instead of notability, we are aiming more at a validation model ie ‘does this entity exist’. There is also a difference between ‘article’ of WP and ‘entity’ of Golden for our model. So I believe there is space for positive coexistence between Golden and WP. We will still want discussion around the validation and ‘what next after 10bn entities are done’ debate.

How does this differ from wikidata.org?

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Jude CEO and Founder of Golden here. Super excited to take this live. We are out to build the next place for canonical knowledge on the Internet. It has been a long-term mission for me to open up the knowledge coverage of billions of niche topics, companies, technologies and new concepts. Our aim is to cover in excess of 10bn topics in high detail over time. Although we all love Wikipedia, there have been various iss…

Hi. I see that you're using some of my photos that are licensed under a Creative Commons-Attribution-ShareAlike license, but I cannot find where you have attributed me as the author. Could you elucidate how to, in general, go from the title picture of an article to find out the license information?

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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post #151

Is there anything of traceability in Golden? In the past years, I have been documenting the works, exhibitions, and documents about a Dutch artists. While doing this, I have often come across conflicting information. I have discovered that what I actually need is a reasoning system about statements and have a mechanism for traceability with respect to every fact represented.

You seem to want classic style AI in the style of Cyc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc

No, not something as rigid as Cyc, but more a system where you can trace the truth of a certain fact. Wikipedia requires you to reference sources. But that is just one layer. Some forms of knowledge are based on multiple layers of references. Making a statement based on a source, always involves some form of interpretation. It would be nice to know who made the statement (and who are supporting the interpretation). Of course, wikipedia keeps the full history of an article, and you could go back through all the revisions and see who edited what, but in requires a lot of work. It would be nice if Golden would at least acknowledge that traceability is an issue has some support for it.

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jude from Golden here. Agreed that WP is one of the most amazing things ever built and interesting to see your various lenses on our mission. To the cynical self: see dropbox launch on HN back in the day. PS I’m no way claiming we are dropbox :> To the angry self: There are various constraints that we want to release ourselves from in working on this problem by starting fresh. We believe the constraint space is too h…

> To the academic self: we want to cover 10bn+ topics, google knowledge graph is around 3bn+ entities. We are not attempting to map all lamp posts in san francisco which would make a useful data set for a self driving car company but we do want to map all businesses, concepts, science topics, people of interest, species, products, services, etc etc. Instead of notability, we are aiming more at a validation model ie ‘…

it will have to be profitable to pay back investors. for one difference.

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

#158
Yup, wikipedia already maps all human knowledge. In fact , you don't need to map everything, just central concepts in every field. I think there's a law of diminishing returns - summaries of knowledge are extremely useful, but as you add more and more detail , there's less and less benefit.

I created 'Wikipedia-Prime', a series of 27 wiki-books mapping all central concepts in all fields of human knowledge. Approx. 16 700 articles was enough to capture all the central concepts used by experts in all fields.

Wikipedia-Prime Index: http://www.zarzuelazen.com/CoreKnowledgeDomains2.html

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Cynical self: They raised a $5mil round just to re-do wikipedia with more self-referential VC pats on the back. Intrigued self: If there is anything worth raising money for, it is building out a collective knowledge base for all of humanity. Angry self: Wikipedia is quite literally one of the most amazing things that the internet and millions of strangers have ever produced together, and lives as a vital proof of con…

Thank you for the comment! I think it sums up some important critical questions very nicely.

While I am happy to see talented people working on important topics like this, I am really sad to see that this seems to be a for profit effort.

If you have the right team and vision it should be easy enough to get five million from public funders like the NSF without the leash of having to maximize profits (likely) at the expense of being able to maximize the overall benefit for society. For things that can go wrong just have a look at the dumpster fire aka fb.

Although I do believe that companies like Golden start out with the best of intentions, experience shows that the reality of financial expectations will likely win out in the end (e.g., Google, FB, Twitter).

So, why not go with an institutional structure that doesn’t have as many strings attached? INAL but maybe something like a public benefit corp [1]?

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-benefit_corporation

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've taken VC, then surely there's an exit in about 5 years?

JG: I hope not :>

How can you be so confident that this wont completely collapse leaving a lot of people in the lurch. It feels frankly irresponsible to me for people to start businesses in this manor. There is an incredible amount of intellectual dishonesty, coupled with a general lack of empathy for the people you are roping into this. How do you sleep with yourself at night?
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