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Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by ben_w »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #127
SkyBelow wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They currently ignore them. Not talking fantasy. When beating heart corpses (technically brain dead but body is alive) have their organs removed, in some cases the bodies go through symptoms of a live human being killed by vivisection. These are generally ignored. Let's hope our understanding of brain death is fully and completely correct.

Years ago, I saw a TV interview of the first recipient of a heart-lung transplant. When asked some question post surgery, she blurted "I could really use a beer!" She didn't drink, but the young male donor of her organs who died in a motorcycle crash did. She wrote a book about her experience. Initially, she had bizarre dreams, as if tapping into the psyche of her organ donor. Over time, those stopped. Mention of thi…

Given how much my personality shifts from relatively minor things like switching between high/low carb diets, or medium things like whatever was in my drip when I went under general anaesthetic, I totally believe that her personality was changed by having a transplant, or separately by her anti-rejection meds.

I’d be surprised if most such changes have statistically strong correlation with organ donor personalities.

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by badger_bravo »

xfitm3 wrote: post #146
dpcx wrote: post #123

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Will you know you're dead though? If they have the technology to bring your brain back, they probably have the technology to make your brain think you're still in your body and you woke up.

I'm alive now and my wishes are to not experience this.

Are you though?

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by chr1 »

jhomedall wrote: post #96
saulrh wrote: post #64

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It'd actually be fantastic. If I've donated my brain to anything like the modern research apparatus, I can be relatively sure of one of two possibilities: Either my brain was chosen as a test, in which case the project is on the news literally worldwide and the ethics have had the crap argued out of them and I can be sure that any limitations of the environment are due to technological shortcomings and I get to parti…

Option 3: the experience of being disconnected from your body is so distressing that you can do nothing but attempt (and fail) to scream. The scientists have no idea you are in distress. This goes on for months or years. By the time technology develops to a point where they can communicate with you, you are irreparably broken.

In all cases i would not lose anything, because i would have already lost everything when dying. So in all cases it's a bonus time, and though being properly resurrected would be great, helping scientific progress and dying is still better than simply dying.

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by CptFribble »

JudgeWapner wrote: post #135
DoreenMichele wrote: post #113

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If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."

that is the norm, for that person and it's perfectly within his right to announce his experience. You falsely imply that it's anyone's duty to share in the misery of the human race or the consequences that come from believing in the supernatural. And the "priveleged" term is just a dog-whistle for a political agenda that has no place here.

If you think "privilege" is only a political dog-whistle, then you must also believe every person is born with equal chance and opportunity without regard for race, gender, or anything else. Can you say that with full intellectual honesty?

And what part of being targeted for skin color is a "consequence that come[s] from believing in the supernatural?"

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by jrootabega »

nabla9 wrote: post #23

Imagine donating your body to science and then waking up in a lab as a brain in a vat. "A Living Soul" by P. C. Jersild is amazing sci-fi book exploring this. https://www.amazon.com/Living-Norvik-Press-English-Swedish/d... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._C._Jersild

Solis by A.A. Attanasio as well, though I think it might be more for kids, and not hard sf

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by kraftman »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #113
kraftman wrote: post #83

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I think it's more weird to have enemies.

If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."

I guess it depends on how you define enemies. I think that generally an enemy is considered to be someone who is actively hostile towards you in a specific way, rather than just a general way.

If you ask someone to name three friends, they wouldn't consider all friendly people, they would consider their actual friends.

If you ask someone to name three enemies you would expect them to name specific people they actually know and have interacted with, not specific people that are known to hate their race or belief but they have had no direct interaction with.

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by DoreenMichele »

kraftman wrote: post #156
DoreenMichele wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are Jewish, anti-Semites are your enemy, even if you've never met them personally. If you are a person of color, white supremacists are your enemy, even if you have never personally met them. Etc. Your remark comes across to me like "I live an extremely privileged and cushy life and I think that's completely the norm. I'm not interested in understanding the reality of people for whom that's not the norm."

I guess it depends on how you define enemies. I think that generally an enemy is considered to be someone who is actively hostile towards you in a specific way, rather than just a general way. If you ask someone to name three friends, they wouldn't consider all friendly people, they would consider their actual friends. If you ask someone to name three enemies you would expect them to name specific people they actuall…

In most cases, you don't actually want to publicize whom you see as personal enemies. It just makes it harder to resolve or minimize the issue while convincing a lot of people you are a paranoid fruitcake.

But I imagine lots of minority members et al are keenly aware of specific people who are generally against their minority group who have caused them, personally, harm because of it.

If they publicly start their view that "X person personally harmed me" it is usually unprovable and the statement just makes their own problems worse for various reasons.

Thus my impression that you must have an awfully cushy life that you are projecting as the norm when there is zero reason to see it as such.

Re: Pig brains partially revived four hours after death

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Post by DoreenMichele »

ben_w wrote: post #151
DoreenMichele wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago, I saw a TV interview of the first recipient of a heart-lung transplant. When asked some question post surgery, she blurted "I could really use a beer!" She didn't drink, but the young male donor of her organs who died in a motorcycle crash did. She wrote a book about her experience. Initially, she had bizarre dreams, as if tapping into the psyche of her organ donor. Over time, those stopped. Mention of thi…

Given how much my personality shifts from relatively minor things like switching between high/low carb diets, or medium things like whatever was in my drip when I went under general anaesthetic, I totally believe that her personality was changed by having a transplant, or separately by her anti-rejection meds. I’d be surprised if most such changes have statistically strong correlation with organ donor personalities.

I totally believe that her personality was changed by having a transplant, or separately by her anti-rejection meds.

Thanks.

I’d be surprised if most such changes have statistically strong correlation with organ donor personalities.

So would I.

I'm not talking about most such changes or statistical significance. I'm talking about one specific case that was unusually well documented and highly scrutinized that potentially supports the idea that "souls" -- or something we might describe with that word -- might actually be real.

A high percentage of people go to church or otherwise have some kind of spiritual belief. But some kind of scientific affirmation that this isn't simply adult thumb sucking and there may be something to it seems pretty uncommon.

I found her story interesting from that angle.

But, I mean, if your mind is made up that souls are nonsense, then you are probably not the target audience for my comment.

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

imrelaxed wrote: post #138
jhomedall wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option 3: the experience of being disconnected from your body is so distressing that you can do nothing but attempt (and fail) to scream. The scientists have no idea you are in distress. This goes on for months or years. By the time technology develops to a point where they can communicate with you, you are irreparably broken.

Unlikely, it’s probably a lot like a sensory deprivation tank. You likely start to hallucinate after a period of time and deteriorate to some strange state of existence.

It turns out to be extremely hard to confirm that this hasn't already happened.
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