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Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Hubris leads to Beresheet.

Beresheet means "genesis," and if we know anything about the genesis of the universe it's that there's a big explosion.

It means "In the beginning" (בראשית)

(The prefix "ב" meaning "in", the root "ראש" meaning "head" --used both for the part of the body, and to mean "starting" or "principal"--and the suffux "ית" being the a type of feminine suffix)

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Based on the telemetry from the broadcast it seems that there was a failure at 13km that resulted in both telemetry and engine loss. When telemetry connection came back vertical speed has already doubled and it kept going up until spacecraft hit the ground. Engine was probably never restarted. Edit1: Telemetry came back at 10k. For the next minute and a half there was uncertainty about the main engine even though tel…

Was the request to restart the engine made from Earth? It seems like the landing program would want to have a feature in place that automatically restarted the engine in a situation like this.

From the NY Times story “We are resetting the spacecraft to try to enable the engine.”

I can't tell from that if normally an engine outage would automatically restart but didn't or if the condition would always require manual intervention. I hope we get more details soon. The moon seems close enough (a few seconds), but accidents always happen closest to your destination. More automation is more complexity but it will be valuable for longer trips.

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Meanwhile he seems to lack any doubt or humility in anything involving Tesla...

He's been pretty upfront about his date prediction abilities: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-blames-missed-mode...

And yet he continues doing it.

The problem isn't that people are demanding accurate dates for launches and then getting mad he wasn't exactly correct, the problem is that he is underestimating launch times significantly and stating them publicly with confidence.

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It seems that they just got a new word in the dictionary: https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033... I find it a bit irritating to be that cocky when it comes to space technology. Better luck next time!

This comment thread is both celebratory and hateful, truly disgusting from Hn. Celebrating space mission failures for any reason is a terrible look. This is a cultural difference, try to take a step back from your own preconceived cultural norms. What's considered confidence in Israel would qualify as hubris in American culture - there's much less value placed on being humble or soft-spoken in Israeli culture. I make…

Are you telling us that in Israel confidence is replaced by hubris- the kind of over-confidence that makes you forget about your limits, underestimate dangers, antagonize people around you, and ultimately cause your own downfall? Well, good luck then, they'll need it!

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post #43

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If you read the article it says a SpaceX rocket brought them into space in the first place

Also a private, albeit subsidized, company.

Private with the prime minister on the control room? Sounds about as private as Chinese corporations.

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post #21

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With a population of < 3% of the USA, < 1% of China.

Right, and I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US. Don't get me wrong, good on them for doing this, but let's not pretend like this happened in a bubble away from anyone else.

> I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US

What's your point? NASA got a bunch of help from Nazi scientists.

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post #126

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Yeah, they use a dead simple solid-fuel rocket based on their ballistic missiles that can only really hit LEO and has a pretty limited payload.

implying that makes it unworthy of praise?

Correct. North Korea also did same without billions in subsidies from the USA

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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post #43

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If you read the article it says a SpaceX rocket brought them into space in the first place

Also a private, albeit subsidized, company.

SpaceX is not subsidized, unless you were referring to SpaceIL.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

#160

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He's been pretty upfront about his date prediction abilities: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-blames-missed-mode...

And yet he continues doing it. The problem isn't that people are demanding accurate dates for launches and then getting mad he wasn't exactly correct, the problem is that he is underestimating launch times significantly and stating them publicly with confidence.

Humans have flaws. Elon is no different in that respect.
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