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Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

VP choice makes a bigger difference for an older candidate, which might be why rumors are that Biden will be choosing his running mate very early in the process.

Almost nobody really makes their voting decision based on who the VP is. I'd even have to look up the name of Clinton's running mate from the last election.

McCain/Palin was notable. I believe Biden boosted the Obama ticket by quite a bit as well.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

VP choice makes a bigger difference for an older candidate, which might be why rumors are that Biden will be choosing his running mate very early in the process.

Almost nobody really makes their voting decision based on who the VP is. I'd even have to look up the name of Clinton's running mate from the last election.

Tim Kaine, from memory. Palin sunk McCain. And Paul Ryan was no match for Joe Biden

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Yang would like to be President, but his primary goal is to force a conversation amongst all the candidates on UBI and automation, which are important things that the next President should be talking about.

That's why I'm a little more optimistic about Yang 2024 than Yang 2020. I'm just worried that he's going to end up as the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party - highly appealing to a relatively small group of geeks, but considered a weird outsider candidate by the party mainstream.

His fundamental point is one that our society needs to contend with - "high tech" is the oil of the 21st century. Do we want that wealth to be concentrated into a few world-historical fortunes? Or do we want to use it to improve the lives of everyone?

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

Having just watched the SXSW town hall with no preconceived notion of Buttigieg, I completely disagree that he "basically bombed the first 20 minutes". I found him engaging and thoughtful.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I haven't seen this "run govt like a business" idea outside the U.S (or maybe I just missed it). Biz and govt are two separate things, I don't understand how one can be run like the other. Sure, there are some overlaps, but thats about it. Can someone explain?

Governments can contain businesses, and those businesses should run sort-of like businesses. They should care about customers. Ideally, not at a huge deficit.

In Canada, this is called a "crown corporation".

Canadian examples include CATSA (like the TSA), CBC (TV network), VIA Rail (like Amtrak), LCBO and Ontario Cannabis Retail Corporation (provincial monopolies on alcohol and marijuana sales, respectively).

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I am sincerely hoping for Beto to blow up. We need someone like Beto because 1. He is young 2. He was a hacker [we need people in politics that understand the most important driver of commerce now] 3. He was in a punk band 4. He is from Texas [he will be forced to have a balanced approach] 5. He campaigns hard 6. He can inspire people positively [as opposed to the constant whining that politics have become]

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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The majority of Americans are not insane and both mainstream Democrats and the incumbent are mostly appealing to the insane. A moderate, any moderate, left or right, that speaks logically, does not indulge in identity bullshit and does not treat the other side as if they were stupid or evil or both, will have a great shot at capturing the exhausted middle.

While this is ideal, time and again it has been proved that an energized base and a demoralized opposition is the best chance at winning election. A passive middle will not win you anything.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

#160

I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

I got a similar impression from his Pod Save America interview.

The issue he lead with in his first 15 minutes was how he would restructure the supreme court to be 10 judges or something. Not health care, climate change, or the economy. If the host hadn't introduced him as a presidential candidate I would have thought he was some professor that they brought on the podcast.

To even begin to be successful in 2020 he's going to have to focus his message and speak with conviction. He would get destroyed going up against Warren/Harris/Bernie/Trump.

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