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Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

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Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

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Obviously, even if the study is to believed, this won't work for all jobs (try callcenters or POS ...). Thorough studies would evaluate other models as well, like 6, 7 or 3-day weeks. As a former entrepreneur I can guarantee that my output would suffer greatly in a 4 day week, since I'd rediscover hobbies and other distractions.

> since I'd rediscover hobbies and other distractions.

Isn't that the point though?

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#152
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At Mobile Jazz (7 years old now) and Bugfender (4-5 years old now) we always had the rule, that people could choose to work as much as they want and when they went. As long as the output and quality was there. Obviously to achieve high quality output you need to be there at certain times (overlap with other team members) and you need to do a certain amount of hours. The problems we had because of this are almost no-e…

I would hate that environment. I don't want to have to guess if I'm doing enough. I don't want to guess if I'm working 20 days more a year than another employee or 10 days less. I just want a negotiated amount of time off. If it's 10 days a year or 50 days a year at least know I can take them off 100% guilt free. If it's "take as much as you want" there will always be those who abuse the policy and those who under ut…

What if 'enough' is not time-based? What if you just have to make sure that new versions are deployed and the service stays up and isn't being hacked? If you can do that with 2 days/week, more power to you. Or maybe you put 6 days/week in at the outset, as an investment so that in a few months you'll be able to work a lot less?

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#153
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do employees know when good is good enough? When things get stressful and overwhelming at work, I look to my contractual hours per week and remind myself not to overdo it.

This is actually the downside of these "you decide" plans and why I absolutely hate "unlimited PTO" policies. Whenever it's up to me I end up taking less vacation than if I just had an allotted amount. People shortchange themselves because they don't want to inconvenience their team. And as an added insult, the company gets out of paying you for unused vacation when you finally burn out.

Unlimited PTO can turn into unlimited working if your boss is really "good".

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#154
post #4

At Mobile Jazz (7 years old now) and Bugfender (4-5 years old now) we always had the rule, that people could choose to work as much as they want and when they went. As long as the output and quality was there. Obviously to achieve high quality output you need to be there at certain times (overlap with other team members) and you need to do a certain amount of hours. The problems we had because of this are almost no-e…

This is nonsense. People work for money, so clearly call out what is the expectation.

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#155

"... a New Zealand financial services company, switched its 240 staff from a five-day week to a four-day week last November and maintained their pay. Productivity increased in the four days they worked so there was no drop in the total amount of work done." The result/claim makes intuitive sense to me but..... The problem trying to study this is that "productivity" of many/most white collar workers is basically impos…

We can start an experiment with the HR department and measure if confliction resolution rate is the same.

Same for recruitment department to see if hiring rate is the same.

Just throwing it out there that not all white collar job productivity is unmeasurable.

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

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There has to be a limit somewhere though. Say I booked the entirety of June off this year. Are they still cool with that? How about if I also decide I'd like July off too. That's an extreme I know but there's a limit somewhere.

I thought this was common sense, but can't you just ask? "Unlimited PTO" does not mean "do whatever you want". Your manager can deny requests when you have limited PTO, too, so I don't see what you're getting at. FWIW we did have somebody take an entire month off to visit family in China. He was responsible for tons of code and functionality, and it worked fine because management knew about it and planned around it.…

I've never worked at a place with unlimited PTO. I don't know. This is me asking :P

Only ever worked at UK companies where we get 5.6 weeks PTO as standard. Never had a request denied as long as I've given 2 weeks notice of a long'un

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#157

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You should still be able to recount what you did , past tense. "This morning I sketched out three different possibilities for the new client check-in service. First draft of the spec is in progress, I expect to send it over to Jen and Andy tomorrow for their feedback." "I made a dozen or so mockups for the new landing page. I have a couple more ideas I want to try out tomorrow, then I'll figure out what the best four…

That sure sounds like a day of productive work or a day of doing nothing being covered over with some made up fluff. One or the other.

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Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#158
Seems a bit to good to be true... working 20% less, and still have 'increased productivity'?

I myself work 4 days a week, which I really enjoy. However, sometimes with a major bug I make extra hours, the work has to get done! You can do more in 6 days than in 4.

For that sake, how much further can you push it, can you increase productivity 20% by working 3 days instead of 4?

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#159

We work a 4 Day, 32 hour week, and have done so since 2015. During that time, our team grew from a small office of ~20 in Edinburgh to where we are today (3 offices in Edinburgh Scotland, Bozeman USA, and Beirut Lebanon) with about 80 people. We have consistently been one of the fastest growing tech companies in Scotland (and in the UK). When we implemented the 4 day policy, we didn’t change our financial targets, or…

A bit off-topic, but why Lebanon?

Additionally, Lebanon makes me wonder if there's a confounding factor here. Lebanon being a Muslim-majority country, many Lebanese take at least part of Friday off as part of their weekend. Having a standard three-day weekend company-wide might sidestep issues of UK/US workers wanting to meet on Fridays when Lebanese workers are unavailable, and Lebanese workers wanting to meet on Saturdays when UK/US workers are unavailable. This prevents people from being in the office on a Friday or Saturday and twiddling their thumbs while waiting for input from somebody in another country with a different weekend standard.

Re: Four-day week trial: study finds lower stress but no cut in output

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should still be able to recount what you did , past tense. "This morning I sketched out three different possibilities for the new client check-in service. First draft of the spec is in progress, I expect to send it over to Jen and Andy tomorrow for their feedback." "I made a dozen or so mockups for the new landing page. I have a couple more ideas I want to try out tomorrow, then I'll figure out what the best four…

That sure sounds like a day of productive work or a day of doing nothing being covered over with some made up fluff. One or the other.

Starting from the standpoint that your peers or reports are lying to you is never going to work. Treating people like kids means you'll get kid level responses.

If someone is lying, it will eventually come out. That fake report one day will turn into a week and eventually they will get fired. But, don't kill your entire team on the off chance that someone is trying to game the system.

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