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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bhartzer »

catern wrote: post #114

This "early-access" price which decreases over time is an approximation of a Dutch auction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction Dutch auctions are incentive-compatible - they allocate the resource to the person that gains the highest utility for having it. Maybe Google got some of the people working on ads auctions to design this pricing structure.

I’m, that’s an icann rule for launching new tlds. The early access period is always higher, then there are several other periods that happen before a tld gets to General availability.

This pricing structure is not just for .dev domains.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by jasonbarone »

icebraining wrote: post #138
jasonbarone wrote: post #93

Does anyone know how the “premium” renewal prices are set and governed? I’m going through this right now with .app domains (also owned by Google). Apparently domains categorized as “premium” have a much higher yearly pricing, and how it’s priced is not specified anywhere on the registry website. I called a few registrars and they said that the premium pricing is set by the registry. What’s concerning is that the regi…

AFAIU, the ICANN New gTLD registry agreement means you can't have "premium" prices for renewals: "Registry Operator must have uniform pricing for renewals of domain name registrations (“Renewal Pricing”). For the purposes of determining Renewal Pricing, the price for each domain registration renewal must be identical to the price of all other domain name registration renewals in place at the time of such renewal, and…

Hmm, this definitely isn't the case for .app. There are numerous tiers of pricing as of right now. Google categorized specific names as "Premium", which you can see when searching for a lot of .app domains. These Premium domains vary in both initial purchase price AND the yearly renewal. One of my examples is in this thread. Purchase price was around $1000, yearly renewal is $280. Other names are even higher...

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by toyg »

4ad wrote: post #89

I reserved unix.dev for the regular domain reservation price, not the crazy "premium domain" price because unix.dev was not part of the premium domain list. However, Google determined that no, unix.dev should be a premium domain, and "stole" the reservation from me (after I have already paid for it). They later added it to the premium domain list, and they asked me for $11k to keep the reservation. TBH, I expected to…

And what were you going to do with unix.dev, if I may ask?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by cpburns2009 »

ameliaquining wrote: post #140
cpburns2009 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to RFC 2602 [1], > The ".localhost" TLD has traditionally been statically defined in host DNS implementations as having an A record pointing to the loop back IP address and is reserved for such use. Any other use would conflict with widely deployed code which assumes this use. So it might work but it could be problematic if the intent is to use ".localhost" as a local network domain rather than just the loc…

.test, .example, and .invalid are also reserved by the RFC and don't have this problem.

> ".test" is recommended for use in testing of current or new DNS related code.

This one looks the safest and least prone to confusion.

> ".example" is recommended for use in documentation or as examples.

> ".invalid" is intended for use in online construction of domain names that are sure to be invalid and which it is obvious at a glance are invalid.

Both of these look problematic from a terminology standpoint, not a technical one.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by toyg »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #16
sascha_sl wrote: post #9

Besides the usual disregard decency let's HSTS preload a TLD people have been using for local development for decades... This is terrible gatekeeping and I hope Google perishes soon. Wow. I can't get over how fucking dumb this is. This is the mark of a corporation filled with people that thinks putting a price tag on supposedly scarce good early will deter bad actors. Clearly everyone who thought this up has way too…

Yes, this, though I really am disappointed in ICANN here. ICANN should not have sold a TLD known to be in heavy use already. Their desire for cash from this process seems to have overwhelmed their good sense in managing the domain system.

Their desire for cash is the only reason this process exists in the first place. The “old” tlds were perfectly fine as they were.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by hombre_fatal »

xg15 wrote: post #150
ameliaquining wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess would be that this isn't primarily about the money (there are probably domains they could get more than $11,500 for), but rather about allocating the most in-demand domains in a way that reflects how badly people want them. A Dutch-auction-type thing like they're doing is a crude solution to this problem, but if they just went straight to GA too much valuable real estate would immediately be claimed by squat…

The squatters defense is a good point - however, this also seems to ensure that the megacorps get the best pieces before anybody else gets to choose. If defending against squatters is the top priority, they could also make it an application-driven process: Let people submit proposals about what they want to do with the domains along with a link to their organisation and have some group grant applications (preferably…

That sounds just as empty except now with massive human overhead for processing applications that can pitch whatever they want. I'd even be tempted to write up some bullshit to get a domain I want. What are they going to do, research my details? You can barely get a human on the phone at Google even when you're a paying customer.

Not to mention all the hurt feelings when someone's application is denied and the domain stays undeveloped or becomes a terrible website.

Auctions seem unfair but money is an extremely simple system for allocating finite resources. And it's not like you need a dictionary word domain name to have an online identity. It's almost pure vanity.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by xg15 »

hobs wrote: post #101
sschueller wrote: post #15

How long until Google will start removing domains that don't fit their "values"?

Surprise! Pretty much every provider has a terms of service.

Good thing I don't need to bother with public DNS if I just want to serve things for a private LAN - oh wait, thanks to HSTS I now do!

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Post by fgkramer »

shereadsthenews wrote: post #104

What will you build on .dev? A site so broken that it still has a horizontal scrollbar no matter how wide the browser window.

Are you on a mac? 99% of times it's because of an external mouse connected.

edit: the css for the element that overflows has: `grid-template-columns: 50vw 50vw;` and based on the spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#viewport-relative-lengths, scrollbars are not taken into account, therefore as long as you have a _forced_ scrollbar, the content WILL overflow regardless of your screen size.

By forced I mean a scrollbar you cannot remove and that's not enforced by your systems settings, you can clearly see this behaviour on mac if you toggle the "Show scroll bars" setting to "Always".

Safari and webkit based browsers can avoid this issues with `::-webkit-scrollbar{ display: none}` but it's not a cross browser solution nor a wise decision to hide scrollbars overall.

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