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Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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This is a comment about the presentation of this content, but twitter threads are the worst method for presenting a coherent and compelling argument. They enforce unnatural character limits, lack formatting and links, and the whole twitter echo system encourages "hot takes", eg. 'The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK'

And how exactly do you propose to solve this issue? The only reason these threads even get a liftoff is that of Twitter in the first place. A random blog post just doesn't get the same traction unless your blog is established, and a new platform is unlikely to work just for this one specific use case.

I don't mind the format as much as I mind typos and uneven thought, but that's an entirely different issue.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. Rich people don’t shop. They aren’t even aware of how their fridge gets stocked. They got too many helpers! Those helpers shop at the same stores us regular folks shop at! (But seriously, is there really such stories that exist as poor/rich or are these just the same stores in different areas?)

> (But seriously, is there really such stories that exist as poor/rich or are these just the same stores in different areas?) I wouldn't say poor vs rich stores, but there are supermarkets which compete on pricing and others that compete on 'experience'. The first would have low prices, put out produce in the boxes it came in, employ less workers, etc (ALDI where I am from) and the latter will focus on all the food l…

I've honestly never noticed things like that when at supermarkets, while living in Australia or Singapore. I'm gonna watch out now see if I notice any of these sort of things. Thanks.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#153
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Products nearing the best before date are typically sold at a discount at least where I’m from. And those that don’t get sold but are still edible get increasingly donated to the needy instead of just being thrown away. There’s a big movement going on to reduce retail waste. In France grocery stores are required by law to donate food that doesn’t get sold.

I always remember that Noah's Bagels would make certain to throw away excess bagels at the end of the day. It's probably, unfortunately, America-specific, but when I asked why staff said if they gave away "old" baked-goods and someone were to get sick they would be liable to lawsuit.

It's often about incentives. Why buy if you can wait until the shop is about to close and get it for free? Or as an employee, why care about food wastage if it gives you lot of free goods you can take home?

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#154
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> The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK. You've got to have a debilitating level of ignorance to assume that if Whole Paycheck Market doesn't stock ugly fruit, it must be getting "wasted." It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck." There are an infinite number of things one can learn about and a finite amount of time. While the content is interesting…

The offputting tone wouldn't be quite as objectionable (imo) if the argument wasn't so FUCKing wrong. > Most "ugly" produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam, ice cream, etc. You think that stuff gets made from the pretty fruit & veggies?! jeebus, think about it for a minute I've thought about it, and yes, that stuff gets made from the pretty fruit & veggies. Sure, a LOT of it gets made from the rejected "ug…

> offputting tone

Says the guy that uses FUCK in his comment. Hi pot, meet kettle.

> Not every packing house is the same (not every one separates out the uglies), and not every one supplies salsa makers.

That's not how the system functions. Most produce is auctioned off with strict quality ratings. No contracts needed.

> In what way does labour/weather-problem-related waste mean we shouldn't also try to reduce waste in areas where we very easily can?

The ugly fruit movement claims that:

> About 20-40% of Produce is Wasted Worldwide, this is mostly due to strict cosmetic standards from large grocers that dictate exactly how their fruit and veggies should look

This is the point she's refuting and you're right: she may be right here.

> This sentence from the same person who just used the phrase "classist as fuck"!?

There are poor people. There are businesses focussing on this demographic. Simply stating those facts doesn't make you classist.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#155
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> The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK. You've got to have a debilitating level of ignorance to assume that if Whole Paycheck Market doesn't stock ugly fruit, it must be getting "wasted." It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck." There are an infinite number of things one can learn about and a finite amount of time. While the content is interesting…

ignorance doesn't make your assumptions less classist. similarly, no matter how ignorant you are of their meaning, racial slurs are still racist. if you're perpetuating a prejudice of class, you're participating in classism.

if "fuck" hurts your feelings, or if the tone is too "off-putting" to bother understanding the message, maybe that's a You Problem.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#156
I saw this article about the ugly food getting thrown out from the BBC, citing a study about food waste from the University of Edinburgh. So who am I to believe? The University of Edinburgh or some Twitter ranter?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238...

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#157
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> Know what happens to most of the produce that's edible, has enough shape to survive in transit, but looks funny? > IT GOES TO THE GROCERY STORES THAT POOR PEOPLE SHOP AT So I shop a lot at “grocery stores that poor people shop at” (in Europe, for what it’s worth; maybe the US is different). And the produce sold there is, for the most part, very different from the “ugly” fruit and veg that sustainability hipsters ar…

Also oversized to compensate for the low price-per-kilogram

Supersizing produce for economic reasons is a myth.

Oversized fruits and vegetables mostly exist because they were "missed" during the previous harvesting round. A cucumber that is ripe but isn't harvested because it was hiding behind some leaves, will be oversized the next day. Same goes for a lot of other produce.

Farmers receive the highest price for produce that's the "right" size. Other sizes will be auctioned off with a lower quality rating and get a lower price per kg. Also, the boxes are made for regular sizes and they can be packed more efficiently.

If a supermarket sells inferior products for a higher price, it's because the supermarket wants to do that and not because the other parts of the market chain force them to.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (But seriously, is there really such stories that exist as poor/rich or are these just the same stores in different areas?) I wouldn't say poor vs rich stores, but there are supermarkets which compete on pricing and others that compete on 'experience'. The first would have low prices, put out produce in the boxes it came in, employ less workers, etc (ALDI where I am from) and the latter will focus on all the food l…

I've honestly never noticed things like that when at supermarkets, while living in Australia or Singapore. I'm gonna watch out now see if I notice any of these sort of things. Thanks.

In Germany, there is still a divide between regular "supermarkets" and "discounters". The latter focus on price at the expense of selection and customer service.

Aldi defined the discount grocery segment in the 60s with their focus on vertical integration and cost savings. In the 90s, all Aldi stores notably used the same sort of ugly tiles for their floors and walls, probably because they got a bulk price on them and they're easy to clean etc. When Aldi stocks new items, the process consists of placing a pallet onto the shop floor and removing the foil around it. For smaller items, they just open up the box and put the entire box in the shelf instead of shelfing items one-by-one. At the checkout, there is no bagger; you're supposed to pack your bags while the cashier is scanning the items.

Aldi also waited much longer than anyone else before introducing barcode scanners at their checkouts. Since they stocked only one of every type of item (e.g. only one type of sugar, one type of flour, etc.), there were so few items that cashiers could just memorize the codes for each product. It was quite impressive to see a cashier punching codes into the register at a rapid pace while the flood of items scrolls past them. I may misremember it, but it may have been faster than scanning barcodes.

When Aldi introduced barcodes in the early 2000s, they modified the packaging of items so that barcodes were not only placed at one corner, but instead stretched across the whole side, so that the items could be scanned more reliably.

The divide between supermarkets and discounters is blurring, though. The Aldi store next door just got a redesign and now looks confusingly welcoming. Kind of un-German. I always think of Aldi as a place where shopping is done efficiently first and foremost, and the new design does not really reflect that. It makes it look like a regular supermarket (although still at the size of a discounter).

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#159

It's good that the less shopper-favorable produce is put to use, but I'm always curious about the somewhat analogous-to-ugly-fruits case with milk: Looking at the dairy fridge and choosing solely by expiration date. Naturally, I choose the latest to expire to maximize my options within the consumption time-frame. And I think everyone does? But do you actually care about food waste if every time you make that decision…

What I do is, if I’m going to buy 4-6 pcs, I take 2-3 with the furthest date and the rest older, depending on the dates and my projected needs.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

#160

I saw this article about the ugly food getting thrown out from the BBC, citing a study about food waste from the University of Edinburgh. So who am I to believe? The University of Edinburgh or some Twitter ranter? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238...

On one hand, the BBC and most universities tend to be fairly reliable sources of information. On the other, this Twitter user’s argument is fairly logical and, despite the coarse wording, isn’t really making any extraordinary claims. Her statements make sense and align with my own observations, as well as my understanding of economics.

Is it possible they’re both right? These matters are rarely as simple as they seem; it’s not inconceivable that there’s a fair amount of truth to both sides, and I’m willing to bet they could find quite a bit of common ground.

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